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Your College is Not a Technical School

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I went to school with some of the smartest people in the world–people whose knowledge and insight would stun you regularly–but you wouldn’t always know it. Maybe it was the guy who didn’t know how to pump his own gas, or the girl whose monotone voice and paragraph-long questions made me want to jump off a bridge and stab myself on the way down (want to be doubly sure). I don’t know.

But one of the stupidest things I heard thrown around was the question of which major would help get a job. It went something like this: “All the econ majors get jobs in consulting, so maybe I should do that…” (thousand-yard stare).

I’m so tired of hearing this that I am seriously considering walking a crocodile on a leash wherever I go and having him chomp off the arms of the stupid people who say this.

Your college is not a technical school. If you simply want a job, you can go to ITT Tech. Instead, I think college is about meeting interesting people, doing what’s interesting to you, becoming very good at it, and marketing yourself.

What I’m saying is different than the old, conventional thinking about life (“Go to school, pick a safe major, get a good job, and be a cog in the machine for the rest of your life”). I even know some parents who insist their children get master’s degrees. Why? “It looks good.”

When senior year rolls around and people are looking for jobs, it’s amusing to see the contradictions in what we believe and what our opportunities really are. For example, a funny but sad barrier people use on their own job hunt: “I’m an English major, so I can’t apply to be an investment banker.” No, the reason you can’t be a banker is that you selected yourself out of the applicant pool based on your ignorant assumptions.

Your major isn’t as important as you think. It’s what you’ve done that distinguishes you.

I think the point of school is much more than to simply get some credentials, and it’s certainly much more than to learn the stuff you do in class. In fact, ask your friends who graduated how much of their coursework they use on a daily basis. For almost every major, the answer is exactly the same: not much. Instead, college should ideally teach you how to think and give you a broad-based skill set that you can apply almost anywhere.

Priorities are important
When I was in school, my priorities were (in order)…
1. Friends
2. My own business stuff
3. Classes

Before you write me telling me that grades come first because your parents are paying $3895823523, please note that I agree–you have to get decent grades. No argument: If you have a 2.0 GPA, you’re probably not getting a good job right out of college.

But I have a couple of things I want to talk about: First, grades are important for grad school and, to a limited extent, for your first job. After that, nobody gives a damn. Second–and this is my own personal opinion, of course–I’d rather get moderately good grades while having a social life and doing a bunch of interesting stuff, rather than focusing exclusively on school so I could get an A+. What’s an A+? It’s a letter and a character…on a piece of paper.

Plus, it’s often prohibitively hard to get from a B- to an A. In other words, it’s not too hard to get to an 85%, but getting from there to a 95% is really hard. If you can do it while managing your time, great (and frankly, most top students do). Is it worth it every time? No way.

Oh my god, Ramit!!! Are you suggesting we don’t get the best grades we can?!?!?

No, but I like when you get really agitated like that. Of course everybody should try to get the best grades they can. But there’s more to school than grades. And this is why I think that doing cool stuff that produces tangible results is really important. For example, do you have a portfolio of projects you’ve designed? Do you have a blog? Do you have a strong network of great people who can help you find the right job? Do you have articles you’ve written for different newspapers? What do you have besides a conventional, boring transcript to show what you did for the last 4 years?

I think I could probably learn 80% of my college career simply from reading the books. But the last 20%–the hardest and most valuable part–came from talking to people, bouncing ideas off them, doing my own startup stuff, and making a bunch of mistakes. And I did all of this in the relative safety of college, where the worst that can happen is you get a “-” next to one of the letter grades on your transcript.

I wrote about a similar thing in my article on greed and speed, where I said that if you build something valuable, the money will come. The same is true of jobs: If you do interesting work, have great friends, build a great network of supporters, and market yourself, the employers will come. In fact, if you’re really good, instead of you seeking them out, they will seek you out.

Look what business luminary Tom Peters says about GPAs:

Never hire a human being who had a 4.0 in college. If they had a perfect GPA, it means they bought the act and never screwed around. Now a 2.0 is probably not so good. But the ones who had 3.0, yeah! Those are the freaks you want!

(More commentary on this from Ian Ybarra.)

Most people don’t think this. They want a job after college, and that’s where their 4 years goes. I would ALWAYS hire a B-student who can show me she understands technology and is passionate about what she does, over someone who shows me he spent 4 years in the library and has no tolerance for risk or real skills (except test-taking).

Are you stuck by convention?
Let’s see what a couple of other hardcore entrepreneurs have to say about it.

Paul Graham notes this in his absolutely excellent essay, Hiring is Obsolete:

I asked managers at Yahoo, Google, Amazon, Cisco and Microsoft how they’d feel about two candidates, both 24, with equal ability, one who’d tried to start a startup that tanked, and another who’d spent the two years since college working as a developer at a big company. Every one responded that they’d prefer the guy who’d tried to start his own company. Zod Nazem, who’s in charge of engineering at Yahoo, said:

I actually put more value on the guy with the failed startup. And you can quote me!

So there you have it. Want to get hired by Yahoo? Start your own company.

You don’t necessarily have to start your own company. But if you want the jobs that aren’t announced on the email list, and you want to just have a more fun time at college, you do have to do interesting stuff. Publish papers. Start a student group. Travel a bunch and take cool photographs. Get 10 friends together and meet the CEOs of the biggest companies around, and write up what you learned. Do anything beyond just your classes!

In the end, I think it’s actually more risky to focus exclusively on classes. Why? Because you have to compete against everyone else who will be trying to get jobs using the same critera: grades. I hate competing against other people directly, so I’d rather simply go around them.

Finally, Seth Godin weighs in:

I had two brushes with higher education this week.

The first was at a speech I gave in New York. There were several Harvard Business School students there, invited because of their interest in marketing and exceptional promise…

Anyway, they asked for my advice in finding marketing jobs. When I shared my views (go to a small company, work for the CEO, get a job where you actually get to make mistakes and do something) one woman professed to agree with me, but then explained, “But those companies don’t interview on campus.”

Those companies don’t interview on campus. Hmmm. She has just spent $100,000 in cash and another $150,000 in opportunity cost to get an MBA, but…

The second occurred today at Yale. As I drove through the amazingly beautiful campus, I passed the center for Asian Studies. It reminded me of my days as an undergrad (at a lesser school, natch), browsing through the catalog, realizing I could learn whatever I wanted. That not only could I take classes but I could start a business, organize a protest movement, live in a garret off campus, whatever. It was a tremendous gift, this ability to choose.

Yet most of my classmates refused to choose. Instead, they treated college like an extension of high school. They took the most mainstream courses, did the minimum amount they needed to get an A, tried not to get into “trouble” with the professor or face the uncertainty of the unknowable. They were the ones who spent six hours a day in the library, reading their textbooks.

The best part of college is that you could become whatever you wanted to become, but most people just do what they think they must.

There’s more to school than grades and getting a job. What are you going to do?


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TJ
TJ
10 years 9 months ago

you make some excellent points Ramit. going out, meeting new people, experiencing new things are all apart of the college experience. well rounded individuals come from this school of thought, although some administrators may think differently. I would have to say they were the ones with their noses in books 24/7 however…
nice piece.

Ravi Char
10 years 9 months ago

Very nice blog post Ramit! If you look at the way business schools market MBA program – they market the destination i.e. MBA as means of attaining professional growth rather than marketing MBA as an experience that will give you perspectives to look at business which eventually leads to professional growth.

Jerimi
10 years 9 months ago

You know, on the side I teach college math courses. I think im going to hand this out to my students. haha Im serious!

Its so frustrating to be in my position (i can only imagine full time – ugh) and have to deal with an adminstration that doesnt get it – and encourages students to waste their time being overly focused on the SCHOOL part and not the other parts… damn it.

Jonathan
10 years 9 months ago

Great Post Ramit. I’m a student myself. Next year, I will earn my Bachelors of Science.

I see this happen all the time. People go to school, get straight A’s and then can’t find work. They spend too much time on their books and not enough time exploring the endless world of oppurunities that surround them. They’re aslo afraid to try new things.

Yeah, you graduated with honors, but really, what is that going to do for me if hire you? Not a damn thing!

Canadian Capitalist
10 years 9 months ago

You are absolutely right about grades not being important except for maybe the first job.

I am working for a fourth company since I finished school and not once have I been hired based on my grades (decent but not great).

So, you might as well get some decent grades and have fun along the way.

anderson
10 years 9 months ago

grades are important, I interview a hundred people a month, and not always from their first job. how hard you worked in school is an excellent predictor of how hard you’ll work within a real organization.

Mike
Mike
10 years 9 months ago

I learned later (almost too late) in my college career how to pick the best classes. Go to book store prior to registration and browse the text books. If you like the book you will probably enjoy the class.

K
10 years 9 months ago

I’ve never once been asked for my grades upon graduating.
I’d likely walk away if someone did.
Reminds me of an interview where I was asked for the definition of risk.
Gave my casual interpretation and was asked for the “textbook” definition.
Told them right away that it wasn’t the environment for me, thanked them for their time and walked out.

Scott Elliott
10 years 9 months ago
I will never forget graduating from colege. When they called the engineering school, they all held up and waved oversized green “dollar bills” signifying all the money they would make. What happened next? Oh, just a big recession. A lot of those kids hard a hard time finding a job. The took it for granted that those A’s and hours in the library meant an automatic job. But a lot of them didn’t know how to adapt to the economic realities and didn’t have social networks to rely on for contact that might lead to jobs. And it’s absolutely true… Read more »
wilson ng
10 years 9 months ago
Ramit, A few months ago, I wrote “What good is an MBA?”. It is here: http://www.ngkhai.net/bizdrivenlife/writings/best-of-bizdrivenlife-on-business/08-what-good-is-an-mba/ The point is that it is interesting you stress the choice is between getting good grades and having a network and exciting life. i think the point is that school teaches us some basics — some basics that we need to learn and know how to apply. Getting a 4.0 average means you master those basics. But that is not enough. You need to sell yourself or know how to apply what you learn. And I guess that is what you meant by cool… Read more »
Jonathan Otto
10 years 9 months ago

Ramit argues that students are treating college as a technical school, but I think Universities have now structured themselves to mold students to work just this way. Go to college, follow the rules and make money.

The new 4-year technical school

Deron
Deron
10 years 8 months ago
I fell into the trap of thinking that I’ll go to college, pick my major in something I like (computers), get a degree and then have people pounding down my door wanting to give me a job. It doesn’t work like that. Now don’t get my wrong, I had a social life and didn’t make straight A’s, but I do wish I would have taken more risk’s in college as far as start up opportunities. College is so safe, you can try this sort of thing, possibly fail at it, then just go on about your business to the next… Read more »
Tammy
Tammy
10 years 8 months ago

I full understand all of this; everything is about connections, network of friends and knowing people and such. However experimenting and starting your own failed business and such; It really does not apply to pharmacy. Somethign I am going into, sometimes I think they prefer we not have a personality 😛

Will Atkinson
10 years 8 months ago

This is an excellently worded and reasoned article. Many students get a 4.0 GPA (search “grade inflation) but few do things that will actually distinguish themselves come graduation.

college drop-out
college drop-out
10 years 8 months ago
///You make great points, and I will in fact be printing this out for my parents to read. I understand everything you have said and have been putting it to practice. It is when you come from a family where your parents are leaders in academia, your brother graduated with honors from Cornell, and you’re little sister is probably headed to Purdue or Harvard…that no one really takes you seriously. (that’d be me) ///I have slowly been adding to my huge network of friends and acquaintances, and I have been using college thus far, as a safe place to improve… Read more »
jw
10 years 8 months ago
Sorry, but this is stupid advice. As a successful entrepreneur myself (who later spent a number of years working for The Man) and now an academic, I have seen plenty of idiots earn a 3.0 and a select few work for the 4.0. Did they sacrifice a breadth of experience for their grades? In a nutshell, no. Getting a 3.0 or even a 3.5 makes you amazingly unexceptional. It shows that you are able to barely coast by, and that, as an employee, you’ll provide me with predictable, mediocre results. This demonstrates no passion, only a blase middle-of-the-roadness. A 4.0… Read more »
Ramit Sethi
10 years 8 months ago

Did you read the article? The last thing I’m saying is “be like everyone else and get a 3.0.”

The point is to be remarkable, not like everyone else.

Matt
Matt
10 years 7 months ago
It’s unfortunate the way so many people focus on college, when for the overwhelming majority they’d get further ahead spending those four years building networks and learning things that will be useful to them. (Not to mention accumulating orders of magnitude less debt.) Would I hire a 4.0 student? Sure…if he had the same qualifications I’d demand from a 3.0 or 2.0 student or a college dropout or a determined newbie straight out of high school. Otherwise no way. If you’re the kind of person who obsesses about grades, getting a 4.0 average is _not hard_. And whether you are… Read more »
Bobby Hansen
Bobby Hansen
10 years 7 months ago

Goddamn it couldn’t ya have said this to me about 3 years ago?

/suck in a job I hate with a degree I don’t give a crud about in Education. To be safe.

Tanelorn
Tanelorn
10 years 7 months ago
Dude, all that sounds great until you really get out there and try to pay your bills. You’ll start regretting not focusing on a future job real quick. Have fun and do all that social stuff, but you’re there to make yourself the guy that gets hired while all the frat boys end up flippin burgers. . Trust me, I went to school for 7 years, got 2 majors and 3 minors. I changed my mind alot and never thought about after-college much. After 5 years out of college, I can tell you that I sincerely regret not being more… Read more »
Nick
Nick
10 years 7 months ago
well said. in fact – even taking a year off after college can work to your benefit if done right. I spent the last year in NE China teaching english and learning Chinese. When it was all said and done, I got picked up by a VC firm in Shanghai (Chinese) that I’d met randomly on a connection – I was picked because of my willingness to do something most people wouldn’t dare try. And yes, college is so much better when you’re doing things you actually like than freaking out about whether you have a 3.4 or a 4.0.
ckr oshaughnessy
ckr oshaughnessy
10 years 7 months ago
Good article. Decent advice. Over the last 25 years, since getting the auld degrees (3.75 in one, smashing 4.0 in the other) I’ve been variously employed. Didn’t get the million$ a year job straight out … haven’t gotten it yet in fact, but have done quite nicely. I’ve been a soldier, itinerant sailor, writer, college teacher, builder, and a net/sys engineer. I’ve had 2 job interviews in 25 years. You make a good point: life is about contacts, not grades. And, it never hurts to take the long view … you’re quite unlikely (if you have any imagination and spirit)… Read more »
Zachary
10 years 7 months ago
What you’ve written is basically a justification for laziness. The truly exceptional person will enjoy a healthy social life, will excel academically — that is, will absorb fully the education being offered, and will be given top-flight grades that reflect competence and commitment — and will as well distinguish themselves with projects taken through personal initiative. Those that think college is about ‘getting good grades’ are not getting the point, and are of course getting 3.0. College is not meeting people, doing interesting things, or preparing to market oneself. It is about improving one’s knowledge of fields vital to their… Read more »
John
10 years 7 months ago

I was about to drop out of college before I read this. Now I may think twice…my thinking was, I want to play with my band (plug: http://www.catjump.com), so why sink time into a major that does nothing for me? Finally, an answer. Thanks, you’ve given me alot to think about.

Ben
Ben
10 years 7 months ago
Ramit- Your advice sounds profound and unique but I find it neither novel nor useful. My school counselors and starry-eyed classmates have said this since elementary school, and looking at my peers, I think that’s a bunch of crap. As a member of an admissions committee at a top 10 medical school, I place high value on a candidate’s prior academic performance. There are many people who succeed in the job market with weak academic performances, but on average, you’re much more likely to land a secure future with good grades than bad grades, end of story. At the end… Read more »
EncinoMan
EncinoMan
10 years 7 months ago

Wow, you are alot like Carly Far-in-a. You both went to Stanford, were lazy and recieved useless degrees. Now you will network yourself into a top position in a company that you do not deserve and drive it into the ground. You and her talk about inovation and technology, yet know next to nothing about it. If you are interested in tech, become and engineer and innovate, People like you are social leeches, get over yourselves.

Clinton
Clinton
10 years 7 months ago
Ramit – It was literally not 10 minutes before reading your article that I had a conversation on this very subject…but my conversation was in the context of high school. Your passage about all of your starry eyed classmates only taking the safe and mainstream route struck a chord with my conservative suburban environment. This is the kind of enviroment where two things fly: engineering and trades. This Canadian boomtown is filled to the brim with hardliners – administration and parents alike – that have brainwashed their children into mindless drones only doing what they do because of what their… Read more »
Mike
10 years 7 months ago

I went to college for 4 years and exited with an English and a Philosophy degree. Four years later, I work in a warehouse driving a forklift. And you know what? I think college was worth every penny and I would do it all over again if I had the chance. The most important thing I left college with was not the piece of paper saying I had a degree. It was my circle of friends and the experiences I gained. Happiness is more important than financial security.

Adam Chance
Adam Chance
10 years 7 months ago

Unless you are applying for a grad school or education type job, your employer has NO WAY of determining your GPA.

Say you had a 3.0 or 4.0 or whatever they cant check unless you give them a copy of your transcripts.

name
name
10 years 7 months ago
It seems to me that you haven’t yet found what you love to do. When you are truly intrigued by something, be it writing, mathematics, english, physics, whatever, then you will study it with devotion and passion. I suppose one might be able to make good grades by spending hours in the library reading textbooks, but its much better to independently study far ahead so that your courses become a comprehensive review rather than a struggle. If you are really interested in your field, this should come easily. Then, be an active student — talk to your professors about subtle… Read more »
Matt
10 years 7 months ago
I agree that college is all about the experiences that you have while there. I majored is CIS and the .com boom was over right as I was entering college. I graduated with a 3.2 and I am making more than all of my peers, the reason for this is because I was active in several clubs on campus and I also worked hard to find a job in my field while in college. I started getting much needed real-world experience before graduating. I feel that this is what set me apart, and helped me land the job that I… Read more »
ethan
10 years 7 months ago

If you go to a good school and get a 4.0 GPA or something close to it, you are exceptional. This is something that takes a combination of hard work and brains.

So while your advice to do something special in school is well taken, Tom Peter’s advice to not hire someone with a 4.0 and look for a 3.0 is obviously ridiculous bravado.

Alex
Alex
10 years 7 months ago
What a bunch of baloney. All undergrads with a 3.8+ GPA that I have met at Cal (where there is no grade inflation, except in quack fields like ethnic or gender studies) had a rich social life (sans binge drinking and chasing tail), enganged in a wide range of extracurricular activities, and got great jobs. What the author of this article does is twofold: 1) he tries to find an excuse for being a slacker while in college, and 2) he advocates the “old boys club” approach to getting a job – which works, but is a great impediment to… Read more »
Dawid
Dawid
10 years 7 months ago

Im a student doing a-levels, i dont have time to read the whole article since i have a social life.

I however agree strongly with your 85% – 95% theory. Infact i have concluded that already last year.

I have never gotten over 95% for maths no matter how hard i work. But if i dont work at all i get 85%, is that 5-10hrs study time (yes that much) worth that 10%?

I dunno, i forcast that the time ill have to put in for a-levels to get 95% is 10^2 which is 100hrs… 2 much if u ask me

Kurt Luther
10 years 7 months ago

The people getting the best jobs have done cool stuff and have a 4.0 GPA. I agree, however, that if you can only achieve one, go for the former.

Jon
Jon
10 years 7 months ago
This is stupid advice. Yeah, that 4.0 is a ton of extra work, and you have to seriously crack your ass at the library to get it. But it’s worth every ounce of effort. No social life for 4.0 students? Bull crap! Who do you think those 3.0 students go to for help to get through those exams? Who do you think tutors all those 3.0 students? Who do you think has to put up with all those 3.0 free riders on group projects? Why, it’s the 4.0 students who do all that. I can guarantee you that 4.0 students… Read more »
Ben
Ben
10 years 7 months ago

I do wish that you’d used the phrase “trade school”. I’m an engineer and would like to think that the Institute of Technology I attended was both a school and technical.

Otherwise, I share your sentiments.

T R
T R
10 years 7 months ago

This is perhaps one of the most insightful writings about College and careers that I have read.

I have a B.S. and an MBA and work for one of the largest 100 companies in the world. I was a 3.0 student, had tons of social and extracurricular activities and in the end find that I can relate to and adapt to many different environments much better than the cave dwelling 4.0 engineers.

In the end – have fun, become well rounded, LEARN TO WRITE WELL (this is huge) and take risks. It will all work out in the end.
Cheers

the truth
the truth
10 years 7 months ago
I’m afraid I disagree with the idea that colleges are not prepatory work for the real world, or that coursework is rarely used during ones career. This is false and misleading information. Coming from a family of civil and mechanical engineers, all with university degrees, they will tell you most of their course work has some practical application in their daily work routine. I believe your article would be more accurate if you qualify that humanities majors are not preparing themselves for a specific career and should focus on a broad college experience. However, those in pharmacology, vetranary sciences, healthcare,… Read more »
Bidera
10 years 7 months ago

Good points were brought up in article.

However, I would strongly advice anyone against dropping out of college. Change your major do whatever you need but graduate.

Most people are not cut out for the rough world of degree-less job hunting or starting your own biz.

Worst mistake I ever did was read a Ayn Rand book at 18, was the worst time in my life to do so.

alison
alison
10 years 7 months ago

Applause! Applause! You have hit the nail right on the head.

farky
farky
10 years 7 months ago

adam chance – i guess it depends on what industry you are applying for a job in. as an engineer, every job i’ve had required copies of my college transcripts to verify i did, in fact, have the degree listed on my resume and was qualified for the position.

Hey_I_Went_to_ITT
Hey_I_Went_to_ITT
10 years 7 months ago

Stupid Advice, yes you can meet people in college but that’s not what it is for dumb shit. Try applying yourself for the reason you went, I dunno, maybe to learn somthing. If you are trying to goto college for social reasons then fine, go to a party college, get drunk, get knocked up (or knock someone up) and spend the rest of your life working at the local car wash and biatching in a blog.

Patrick McElhaney
10 years 7 months ago

Going to college for “the experience” is a thinly-veiled excuse to put off growing up.

You can do everything described above outside of an expensive college. How about bouncing ideas off experienced professionals, rather than your ignorant college buddies?

If education isn’t your top priority, why even bother with college? Like you said, you can get the other 80% from books.

Greg
10 years 7 months ago

Great post, Ramit. I’ve seen so many of my peers make that mistake. I’m the CEO of a tech startup and have a philosophy major, and my chief developer has an art history degree. We’re qualified alright…

Dan
Dan
10 years 7 months ago
Good article. Going to college and making excellent grades prove one thing; that you are Educated. Being educated does not equate to being intelligent, or having good problem solving skills. I took a couple college classes, but mostly because I want to be on Jeopardy. I joined the Air Force and learned stuff the hard way, got real world experiences. Since then I’ve excelled at every job I’ve had, progressing beyond my peers and now work as a Manager with no formal training, it all came from actual life practices. This mirrors what Ramit is saying about college; “Practice getting… Read more »
Nate
Nate
10 years 7 months ago
Your article, while somewhat insightful, strikes me as more an after-the-fact justification of laziness during your college career than a ground-breaking concept. I do agree that grades themselves are not that important for one’s long-term career goals; however, that is not a valid argument for not putting forth one’s best effort in the classroom. If you earned an B- in a course, you clearly did not absorb the material to the level required for competency in that subject. While some subjects are less vital to success than others, I believe that a person must at least score well on the… Read more »
Scott
Scott
10 years 7 months ago
As the head of software, I did the interviews for a company for about a year, so I may have some insight for people looking into new product development. First off, it’s nice to read this on the web. I tried to aim for the 90% mark personally, since it gets as much credit as the 100%, and then I can focus on other classes that are harder for me to get 90%. I tell you what… after doing some hiring people ranging from no education beyond high school up to PhDs from Cambridge for software engineering positions, somewhere in… Read more »
Josh
Josh
10 years 7 months ago

Very nice article. I emailed it to my youngest brother who is in his second year of college. I hope it helps him determine what he wants to do there rather than just get a degree and get out. I know many of the points struck home with me and my past experience.

Mahmoud Lababidi
10 years 7 months ago
Ramit, very excellent article. I whole-heartadly agree with you. I have one interesting friend, though, that is social and has a near 4.0 GPA in aerospace engineering. He does work hard in his classes but when Friday afternoon hits, it’s like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. Any advice I could give my friend in his 4th year of school (out of 5) to stop wasting his time and brain cells as he does? or should I let him do his thing because this is what he wants? Also how do you know Ian. My friend Vijay showed me his blog… Read more »
Megan
Megan
10 years 7 months ago
The primary benefit that comes from having a degree (assuming that one is going into a field where the specific knowledge is needed, doctor, lawyer, Indian chief, etc) is the fact that one has a verifiable record of an extended, committed, adult achievement. It is a record that states unequivocably, “I did this for four-to-ten years without my Mommy or the state driving me there every day and making sure I do everything my teacher says.” Certainly grades are important, but if one maintains acceptable grades while having the responsibilities and hobbies of a real, live adult over a pretty… Read more »
Zimba
Zimba
10 years 7 months ago
Ramit: You ignore the fact that it is possible to get both a 4.0 (or almost close to it) AND excel in doing things differently from all other students. Your grades and networking/people/extra-curricular skills don’t have to be a zero-sum situation. Did you for instance write an undergraduate thesis? That is one area in which you can distinguish yourself in a non-standard way while scoring a high grade. What Tom Peters says is complete and total RUBBISH. I hope what he says is not considered seriously. Sheesh! Don’t kid yourself: GRADES ARE IMPORTANT. I speak from experience.
Anonymous
Anonymous
10 years 7 months ago

I was one of those morons who focused exclusively on school – it was 100% of my life for 4 years. Staying on campus till two in the morning studying, pale skin, no life, the perfect grades, etc. I did it because I wanted to be the best, and the GPA was the only way I knew how to demonstrate that. Now, I’m graduated, and cannot find a decent job! You are right, the grades mean so very little when it comes right down to it.

colleen
colleen
10 years 7 months ago
hi there. I am not a regular reader of your blog, i just linked to this entry through Fark.com. and i just wanted to commend you and say how impressed and relieved I am to see someone else identify with and expound upon my own views so eloquently on the web. I graduated last may from a small liberal arts college, and I was quite lucky that i figured this out early on. i was a science major, with a mind on a science career, so classes and grades did count for something, but i found that i learned far,… Read more »
ope
ope
10 years 7 months ago
Let me say this, I work for a major employer in the US.. engineering mainly, but hire most of the degees out there for many different jobs. So… / GRADES DO MATTER. Say what you want to justify your grades or how much time you want to skip class or not do your homework well, but in the end.. .grades do matter. / A gpa in the 3-4 range tells an employer plenty. It plainly says you can handle doing your job well and can balance in your hobbies and homelife at the same time. / I am with a… Read more »
slj
slj
10 years 7 months ago
I have mixed reactions to this essay. I studied hard in school, earning a 3.97 undergrad and 3.96 in graduate school. I took more classes than required as I love to learn and continue to do so. I am proud of my accomplishments and use the global skills I learned on a daily basis. I did not make the contacts that you stressed in your post – not because I was too busy learning, but because I was too busy working full- time and fulfilling reserve duty. I am under-employed, it is true; however, I would hire people with my… Read more »
gpa=crapshoot
gpa=crapshoot
10 years 7 months ago

“To get a 3.0, you just have to get at least a B in all of your classes.”

o rly? sounds like someone at a major employer needs to revist averaging. . .

1-1.9 agreed, worthless
2-2.9 eh, might be a diamond in he rough but not worth the time
3-3.5 upper end probably very good with a wide variety of skills
3.6-4 probably excellent in a very narrow field and a complete pain to work with outside it.

mike
mike
10 years 7 months ago

He already did that: Why do you want to be rich?

Jonathan Lambert
10 years 7 months ago
Passion, desire, and a fire in the belly are the most important aspects of entrepreneurship. BUT! So is the ability to do one thing, and do one thing insanely well. Grades will never be as important as the people in Ivory Towers would like them to be, because in the real world not every person who got a 4.0 is successful, and not every 2.0 student wipes out, despite what your guidance counselor would like to have you believe. But, this article is a distraction. Do your best in school, use “grades” and “the game” to build your will, to… Read more »
Alan Gagnon
Alan Gagnon
10 years 7 months ago

I agree completely. I work in the Hospitality field, and while I am only a little more than a year and a half out of college, I have more job marketability than people who had grades much better than me because I have gained work experience and took part in clubs where I could network and interact with working professionals, not just teachers.

Matthew Price
10 years 7 months ago

You are correct, college isn’t about just getting a job. I always felt that college was a great place to “open doors.”

Steve
Steve
10 years 7 months ago
I am a junior at a respected engineering school. My education is what some would call narrow or short-sighted. Learn skills, get a degree, get a job. And guess what? I am completely fine with that. People make it out to be so horrible. Innovations are happening constantly in my field (Material and Metallurgical Engineering) so I don’t expect to find myself behind a desk crunching numbers the rest of my life. My point is, this article seems aimed at the business, economics, communications, journalism, and history major type students out there. I have a lot of friends at a… Read more »
Dustin Diaz
10 years 7 months ago

Classic case. I have a degree in Spanish and I work at Yahoo! as a web developer.

Rev. McWilliams
Rev. McWilliams
10 years 7 months ago

High five, man. High five. And just for the record ‘Jon’:

Who do you think those 3.0 students go to for help to get through those exams? Who do you think tutors all those 3.0 students? Who do you think has to put up with all those 3.0 free riders on group projects? Why, it’s the 4.0 students who do all that.

Sounds like one hell of a social life. Enjoy.

Timothy Zak
Timothy Zak
10 years 7 months ago

It’s a little dispiriting to observe how clumsily our assumptions transform into judgment.

Everyone seems to be filled with a contempt and worship for statistics. Why the compulsion to judge human beings with swiftness and surety. That you must choose who to hire does not call for overarching conclusions about them.

I am much abused by the rule of thumb* because I am misshapen. Perhaps my values are self interested, but they are not mere rationalizations for my own destiny.

*(I am aware that the tacit reference is mythological.)

GTgp
10 years 7 months ago
That all applies in *some* circumstances. It’s kind of hard to be an engineer w/o knowing the hard/boring stuff very well in undergrad. I’ll agree with also doing relevant work/projects outside of academics, but in science/engineering, your degree(s) can REALLY matter. You might get lucky (I did), but acing a lot of classes doesn’t necessarily hurt. Of course with other fields like law and medicine, your grades and schools are often the highest priority. Of course, this assumes that the person’s goal isn’t to be an entrepreneur (which isn’t the goal of many people due to the risks involved). Business… Read more »
Deepak
Deepak
10 years 7 months ago
Well, I was thinking of myself crazy till now. I had the same thoughts about my college life [which is about to finish within two months]. well, here in India, Enginering degree in any branch is the stepping stone to a laborious job as a programmer/call centre executive in any software company, led from the front by majors like infosys and TCS. Very few dares to think beyond that. When the first thought of a goal in life appears to one-usually that occurs before the 2nd yr ends – they hurry to make up their aggregate percentages[no grads here!] by… Read more »
Viyan
Viyan
10 years 7 months ago

Upon reading this article, I realized that I already knew everything you were saying; however, actually hearing it from someone other than my own conscience was reassuring. It’s hard to accept the fact that grades are not the only driving force behind success. I think a lot of people are like me where we know this yet are hesitant on taking action from thereafter. Thank you for putting this article up. It was truly inspirational.

Fi Beta Kappa Summa Cum Grande
Fi Beta Kappa Summa Cum Grande
10 years 7 months ago
Some pedantic crap: social networking demonstrates evolutions and adaptations in alliance-formation; it doesn’t really push the human project forward. If *everyone* cultivated social alliance skills and grew networks of 400-500+ individuals, who the would do the cogitive heavy-lifting? There has to be a mix. The 3.0’s telling the 4.0’s that they’re missing out on something like a social life are in fact missing out on what the 4.0’s have well in mind. But that’s not anything that can be articulated or communicated. I have my very small group of friends who fill more than enough of my social networking needs,… Read more »
WTJ
10 years 7 months ago

well said

theCapitalist
theCapitalist
10 years 7 months ago
I dropped out of college and I just got paid ~$40 to sip coffee and read these comments. Does anyone, who is wildly successful, actually think a degree guarentees success? Perhaps if your definition of success is being a beurocrat (academic, middle management, or otherwise). If that is all you aspire to, then get ready to bow down to social preasure at every corner. Maybe then, just maybe, if there’s not a budget cut, you’ll earn a good – but not great – living. The people who learn how to take risks well are the ones who come out on… Read more »
Chris Cheng
Chris Cheng
10 years 7 months ago

i have a 3.0, i’m fucking weird, and i’m about to graduate and have no job.

Grant
Grant
10 years 7 months ago

There are no absolutes.

Amanda
Amanda
10 years 7 months ago
I am a third year biotech major at RIT. I work unbelievably hard and am constantly reminded that grades are not the only thing employers/ graduate schools look for. Some days I am told, “Amanda, relax. Your college years are the best years of your life.” Or “You should focus on getting research experience. Go volunteer at a hospital. Graduate schools love that.” What’s funny is that these same people also tell me to keep my GPA up. There are only 24 hours in a day, man! I don’t think anyone REALLY knows how to do this whole ‘college thing’… Read more »
Sacha
Sacha
10 years 7 months ago
Well, how about this… I went to high school… occasionally. I graduated when I was 15, however. Then, vowing never to set foot on a school campus again, I spent the next 11 years goofing off, “networking” as you call it, working several different jobs, enjoying life, having fun, yadda yadda yadda… now, I’m 27 years old, and I’m in college. And I have a 4.0. I don’t think I’m sacrificing anything to have it, either. I still have a social life, and I have plenty of fun doing whatever I want to. So, what kind of comments can you… Read more »
Joe
10 years 6 months ago

Employers want somebody they can plug into a job and have immediate succesful results. Managing bureacracy requires (on a little check-box form) that this person have a degree. Life experience is ALWAYS preferred. A+ student? Yeah, that’s great, but what can you do for me? PROVE IT with your actual experiences and you’ll always have something to fall back in. Academics hiding in a quiet hole in the library tend to stay there … well, hell, they dug it themselves.
Cheers,
-Joe
http://www.joescollegeguide.com
P.S. Joe likes dark, quiet holes.

jyoshna
jyoshna
10 years 6 months ago

i m presently studyin hard 4 gaining a degree in engineering and sloggging day and night 2 get all my grades on track. all of this has become so monotonous and on reading your article ,i realised i fall into the category of scores of aspiring engineers who just stick only 2 the academics with little or no scope of extending their knowledge hemisphere!

hey now i gonna consider ur suggestions . i totally agree with u and feel thet the world is out there 2 embrace those who think and work smart

Abhinav
Abhinav
10 years 4 months ago
ok, i agree with the gist of your advice here. But what will happen to our world if we don’t at least have some 4.0 GPA seeking students? What about discovering the next great medicine? What about the next great programming language? What about the next great computing device? A balance is essential, but expecting everyone to have your priority list is moronic. Inspite of whatever the Yahoo guy told you I bet Yahoo would love to hire a few 4.0 GPA Stanford PhD. grad. Yes they would like some out of the box thinkers, but unless you have the… Read more »
shmeh
shmeh
10 years 4 months ago
All the comments perfectly exemplify the point Ramit is making. The 4.00 students bitching about how he says Grades don’t matter are too narrow minded and personally offended to understand the real point. All he was saying was that oftentimes, the 4.00 student is only good in their area of study. The ability to regurgitate definitions or consult textbook convention is nice, but someone who can think critically about a problem and solve it using their own intellect is far more valuable to society. I agree – grades are important, but don’t spend school with your head so far in… Read more »
Garrett
Garrett
10 years 4 months ago
This is an excellent article. I am currently a college freshman and could not agree more with Ramit. My father pays for me to go to school so I feel I have an obligation to do well, but there is no reason to work my ass off in hopes of landing a dream job. An employer is going to want a reasonable balance between hard work and experience, not somebody that is only good at taking tests. In my opinion, a student that challeges the course work and doesn’t just regurgitate the information later is far better than someone that… Read more »
Al
Al
10 years 4 months ago
Thanks for this blog entry – it really cleared my head. I never liked following the beaten path but sometimes fear of failure drove me to follow the herd and obsess about grades and getting a job. I am soon graduating probably with honors and have a solid full time job lined up. Pretty ordinary eh? I agree with Ramit…work hard, play hard, but always do what you love and meet people along the way!!! I regret not taking more risks – there were so many interests I wish I had made time to pursue. Look what I have to… Read more »
Cassandra
Cassandra
10 years 3 months ago

hey; this article is great. i’m currently making a zine about the aspects of college/education.. would you mind if i included this? (with full credits of course)

Pete
Pete
10 years 3 months ago

I’m about to get my BBA this Saturday, and I wish to god I’d had someone to tell me all this back when I was 18 (I’m that kid with the 4.0 that Tom Peters doesn’t want to hire). I really envy the kids I know who took the time to make themselves interesting, rounded people while in college, though I’m glad that I’m at least still young enough to get my priorities in better order. Thanks for the great advice!

Ike
Ike
10 years 2 months ago
Well…Nice article, but it only makes sense if all you want to do is become RICH. In the end it depends on what you want to do. Do you want to be a top notch academia or researcher? Do you want to be in the forefront of innovative technical solutions? Then you MUST keep those grades up, ‘cos you will need them in grad school, and for research later. Do you want to be an enterpreneur or organizational leader who knows how to mobilize people & get things done? Then don’t believe that just a 4.0 will get you there.… Read more »
Anonymous
Anonymous
10 years 1 month ago
I don’t know… I mean, I get what you are saying about experiences, but as a 4.0 student I can truly say that I have lived it up during my undergrad years as well. I think that it just depends on how one approaches knowledge in general. Because I love reading, ideas, discussions and the like, school is a joy for me. I am going abroad to spend a semester in Oxford (a program that I couldn’t have been accepted to if I weren’t an honors student) this fall, during which time I will not only get to study under… Read more »
Eleanor
Eleanor
10 years 5 days ago
I just read this, and I have to say, I learned a bunch of the things you’ve mentioned here in the last year. As I was putting my resume together and beginning to apply for jobs, it suddenly occurred to me that all the things I did that ate into my study time (running the dramatic society, costuming shows, working at the library (and getting paid — shelving books), giving student tours, goofing off in the dining hall) were really the things that made me more attractive as a potential employee than saying, “so, I took Latin for four years.… Read more »
beachcrawler
beachcrawler
10 years 5 days ago
One of the common traits of successful people is their willingness to work hard. The only event in your life that is recorded and repeatedly used as a measure of that willingness to work hard is your gpa. A 3.5 or higher shows that you were mature at a young age and you made sacrifices for that 4 year span. If you don’t think your GPA is scrutinized by employers you are kidding yourself, especially in government (they make you send your transcripts). A good gpa will always send your resume to the keeper pile. After that other factors become… Read more »
margaret
margaret
9 years 11 months ago
Great topic, going to college or university is a great exprerience. Unfortunately most university BA graduates come out needing to now go to vocational colleges to learn hands on jobs as the university has tought you too much theory not always needed in the real working world. As for getting the best grades, marks are personal interpretations by humans like teachers. For example my 16 year old has produced some amazing essays and all he got was 78%, perhaps another one could have marked it 90%. So yes our system based on grading is needed for evaluation but in reality… Read more »
brit
brit
9 years 10 months ago

pfizer pharm. company will not higher anyone with a gpa below 3.80.

Katya
Katya
9 years 10 months ago

Cheers to Brit who knows the difference between hire and higher–geez.

I am a Pharmacist myself and acheived a 3.9 in college and had a semblence of a life while there.

In certain professions you’d better do as well as you can in the grades department otherwise you just wasted your time.

Personally, balance is key in my life but sometimes you have to buckle down and handle business.

I would say do as well as you can though in college because grades do matter. Don’t lose out on some amazing opportunities because you decided to slack.

untitled
untitled
9 years 9 months ago

Come on, getting through college is not that hard, is only 4years. After that, you could do anything you want

Daniel Olson
Daniel Olson
9 years 9 months ago
Ramit – I really liked this article. Two years ago in my sophomore year of college I was so worried about study techniques and getting straight “A’s” (I probably spent well over $100 on different study guides and aids). Now though, I am not as worried. I realize that sacrificing your life to get straight A’s is just not worth it. That’s why this article was so great for me to read. You can still get A’s, but you gotta know when to quit and throw in the towel and realize its just not worth the stress to obsess about… Read more »
Mahmoud
Mahmoud
9 years 8 months ago
“Come on, getting through college is not that hard, is only 4years. After that, you could do anything you want” No you can’t. By the time I’m home from my 9-6 job, I have to go to the gym, read, do laundry, etc. And I don’t have a girlfriend at the moment either. None of my friends from college live around me like my 40 best friends lived with me in the same house. So not this time buddy, until you get a job busting your butt 40 hours a week, college is by far the best time to enjoy… Read more »
Allison
Allison
9 years 7 months ago

While I thought this was well-written, I beg to differ. Many employers ask for your GPA. Most internships require one to have a certain GPA to be considered. If you want to go anywhere beyond your undergrad years, to graduate school, a good GPA is vital. Extracurricular activites, contacts, and experiencing the world are all vital parts of college, don’t get me wrong. However, GPA is the greatest predictor of how a student will do in graduate school or on the job.

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I am offended by people who think a high GPA indicates a person lacking non-academic skills. Many people treat their school work seriously, meaning that they put in their best effort. Some people, such as myself, had to maintain a high GPA to keep their scholarships. Some want to keep all of their options — graduate and professional school, for example — open. Some want to keep internship options open — many of my co-op jobs required a minimum GPA. And many students with high GPAs are smart — they may still have great grades while attending parties, volunteering, working… Read more »
michael edelman
9 years 4 months ago

Peters is full of snappy insights, but he’s never actually had to implement his recommendations. If someone came to me with a 4.0, I’d say here’s a person who applied himself to a task seriously for four years in pursuit of a goal. That tells me that they’re willing and able to apply themselves in working for me, too.

You know what the single best indicator of college success is? High School grades. And, as it turns out, college grades are a very good indicator of career success, too.

e-College
9 years 3 months ago

I totally agree. But we are raised up since childhood to study, study, and study. That needs to change.

Rafael
Rafael
9 years 3 months ago
I agree with what you say. I am a 2.0 graduate. It is true that many of the 4.0 students lack the confidence when it comes to taking risks in business. But I do not think that you should slack off. It is important to try as hard as you can. The GPA is a good way to determine success in life but it is not the only way. Some people develop their thinking, learning, and socializing skills enough to take on those that did get a GPA. While others that have been getting the top GPAs all their lives… Read more »
JP
9 years 14 days ago
Why not someone with a 4.0 AND amazing people skills? I see no reason to settle if you are looking to hire amazing people. Sure, some people are bookworms and anti-social but get great grades. Then others get poor grades but have excellent people skills. If I ran an average company I would be deciding between those two. But in running an exceptional company I’ll take the guy who is at the top of his class and also has top-notch people skills. Sure they are harder to find, but they are often that much more rewarding when found b/c they’ve… Read more »
Meg
Meg
8 years 10 months ago
One thing that always bothers me is that people don’t seem to connect what they want to do with real life salaries and everyday life in their fields. Don’t study Philosophy and then whine about how there are no jobs or they pay peanuts. I recently saw a study where they talked to teenagers about how much they expected to be paid, and it was wildly out of line with their desired professions. Pick a field that interests you, take internships or co-op jobs to see everyday life in that field, talk to people who have that job, do research… Read more »
Kat
Kat
8 years 10 months ago
This is a great post. I went to school for a degree in Architecture and had a 3.3. I actually use all of my knowledge from my classes on a daily basis, except hand drafting. Of course it is expanded upon in the real world. My profession is all about whom you know and real world experience you have. No one asks about your grades, because they really do mean nothing. Grades can be given because of good work or sucking up to the professor or because you are good looking. I had a female professor give all good-looking males… Read more »
ChrisR
ChrisR
8 years 7 months ago
On some level I agree, while on another I disagree. Sorry Ramit. Let me break it down for the other intelligent college students like myself: GRADES DO NOT MATTER, WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT YOU DO Grades are important to a degree, but only to the point where you understand the material (which is where 3.0’s and higher usually have). And of course, you have to pass your courses. Even still, all this b.s. about “social life” and extracurriculars are fine and all, but it’s mostly just that: b.s. Now, I won’t discourage you from doing these kind of things: by… Read more »
Jason
Jason
8 years 6 months ago
I’ve been reading the comments on the post and a few things come into mind, especially when people limiting their views on the topic. If I were to market myself, I’d probably aim for the person with a 3.0 and has accomplished a lot in college outside classes. People talk about who they’d hire and such, and if I was hiring people, I’d hire the 4.0 to be a clog in the machine and the 3.0 with outside accomplishments to handle jobs with decision making. And it truly depends on what you want to do for the rest of your… Read more »
Heather
8 years 6 months ago
Give me a break! Yes, it is important to have experiences outside of the classroom while in college, but good grades DO mean something. A huge segment of my graduating class pursued graduate school, and the ones with B averages did not make it into competitive programs. Also, an A Average says to an employer, “I took my job as a student seriously.” Plenty of us managed to get A averages while still managing to work, volunteer (I tutored low-income children), and have friends. No, I did not go out and party every night, and yes, I spent a lot… Read more »
Jonathan
8 years 4 months ago
Ramit, I’ve been reading a lot of these comments, and it amazes me how many people seem to lack reading comprehension. They totally misunderstand what you said in your article. Let me try to sum it up it more simple terms. Ramit is not saying “be mediocre and just get a 3.0 and you’ll be fine.” No, Ramit stated that you should try to get the best grades that you can, but you need to make sure you get out there, meet people, and experience things. Don’t just sit in a library all day. It’s about balance. That’s all, people.… Read more »
David
8 years 4 months ago
Here’s another take for those who are taking the post way too literally. Ramit’s telling a story. Captivating stories often include controversial statements because they are an extremely effective way to convey a point, and also to get people to remember what the writer is trying to say. We should understand these guidelines, and think about how they apply to our own unique situation. If everyone took my words literally, I would be a damn rich man. Just like in a job interview, it’s about the meta data. She did this project and got this GPA, Ramit said having a… Read more »
Jeff
Jeff
8 years 4 months ago

Agreed. Some people here at Stanford are always asking, “but what sort of job are you going to get with THAT major?” I don’t look at it that way. I chose my major so I can take classes I enjoy, and I’ll make projects on my own. I can MAKE my own career if I want to – I don’t have to be pigeonholed into a career that “fits” my major.

Barbara Saunders
8 years 3 months ago
Ramit, I love this post. I went to Stanford also and had similar priorities. Sad to say, I wasn’t thinking in terms of my own business then! 1. Friends 2. Exploring “the great, big world” 3. Classes Twenty years later, I have no regrets about that D in stats due to skipping too many classes to see Grateful Dead shows. When I had to learn stats on a recent job, I picked up a book and learned! The alternative experience I chose in 1985 is no longer available. I majored in psychology and have “used it” in every career and… Read more »
tumelo
8 years 3 months ago
Howzit. You have a point. However remember that the current private sector worships degrees from “top universities”. And people are constantly are fed with the propaganda that they need a degree. Therefore a possible solution to exploit this madness, is for drop-outs to control the economies of the world and hire other excellent drop-outs as managers. In this way conventional business methods may not be able to compete on the drop-outs’ level because some people learn, some people remember most people do nothing. Hence the majority of degree-holders will be like a ready supply of local gold mine-workers. This I… Read more »
E
E
8 years 2 months ago
Let me back up this article. I was hired by a Fortune 100 straight out of college with a 2.4 GPA and a BA in Theology. Soon after I was bought out by another firm who actually didn’t ask me once what my GPA or Degree was in. Instead of focusing on getting A’s (or B’s in some cases 🙂 I started a concert promotion business, ran a political campaign, and started an investments club, all while playing college basketball. Relationships & networking got me into multiple interviews and continue to get me clients/business. I value education a great deal,… Read more »
Rachel GT
Rachel GT
7 years 11 months ago

Thank you for this article! It was very very encouraging.

I am here at college for 1. the relationship and networking 2. the leadership opportunities and then 3. the classes

Yes this does show with my 2.4 GPA (although I am an engineering major at Georgia Tech…) and I do want to bring that up. But I have gotten WAY more experience from being the president of my sorority, starting a business in wedding planning, being publicist in the a cappella group i was in, being a recruiter for the football team, and more!

Tom
7 years 8 months ago
I’ve been a “senior” now with 124 hours of credit and it doesn’t look like I’ll be out of school for another 3 semesters (last one will be an internship). I’ve had to deal with a lot of self serving people, administration, and people that just don’t know what the hell is going on. I’m caught in a tough place. Finish school for a degree that doesn’t mean a thing (music), just to say I finished. Or take a break, possibly dropping out, to pursue an entrepreneurial career as a disk jockey, studio owner, or the dream of performing in… Read more »
Roy Samperi
1 year 5 days ago

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Lisa
5 months 23 days ago

I returned to school after raising kids, so to me, grades were like reviews for a job. Plus, I wasn’t going out to do the partying that the kids were doing, so I was good staying in and studying. To me, the good grades and experience total a good package to present to an employer. But, I’m on the mom side of all of this! 🙂

Delta School of Business and Technology

Great advice! While grades are important, they are not the only factor to measure success.

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