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		<title>By: Mack</title>
		<link>http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/part-5-of-the-car-debacle/comment-page-1/#comment-30968</link>
		<dc:creator>Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made alot of money in the past selling cars, and eventually became a &quot;closer&quot; and then manager.  I am quite sure that people commenting here would be tough to sell, but remember that for every one of you, there are ten others, easily separated from their money.  But it is not enough to blame it all on the lack of financial literacy, (though i agree this is a huge issue) when many of the people I sold to were smart, money conscious people.  It&#039;s the process, guys.  It&#039;s designed to wear you down, tire you out, then make the kill.  And it works.  I no longer do this for a living, for me, i couldn&#039;t justify the rewards with what I knew we were doing to people.  Anyway, i stumbled across this site, and bookmarked it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made alot of money in the past selling cars, and eventually became a &#8220;closer&#8221; and then manager.  I am quite sure that people commenting here would be tough to sell, but remember that for every one of you, there are ten others, easily separated from their money.  But it is not enough to blame it all on the lack of financial literacy, (though i agree this is a huge issue) when many of the people I sold to were smart, money conscious people.  It&#8217;s the process, guys.  It&#8217;s designed to wear you down, tire you out, then make the kill.  And it works.  I no longer do this for a living, for me, i couldn&#8217;t justify the rewards with what I knew we were doing to people.  Anyway, i stumbled across this site, and bookmarked it!</p>
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		<title>By: Maxine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second comment #12.


Everyone makes mistakes. I had a friend get into a really bad real-estate deal. It was so bad, my 1st response when she called to tell me she bought a house was &quot;is there a cooling off period? Tell me there&#039;s a cooling off period... Email me your contract right now!&quot; We laugh about it now.. sort of.


But some people seem to just constantly do dumb things to themselves. You warn them and they appear to listen but still go ahead and shoot themselves in the foot. Quite often, it&#039;s the same foot in the same way every single  time.


As much as you may want to remain emotionally-detached and not judge, you still want to bang your head against the wall just watching them live their lives. THESE people you should reconsider spending too much time with because that constant level of frustration is not worth it and the alternative is to train yourself not to care about their plight.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second comment #12.</p>
<p>Everyone makes mistakes. I had a friend get into a really bad real-estate deal. It was so bad, my 1st response when she called to tell me she bought a house was &#8220;is there a cooling off period? Tell me there&#8217;s a cooling off period&#8230; Email me your contract right now!&#8221; We laugh about it now.. sort of.</p>
<p>But some people seem to just constantly do dumb things to themselves. You warn them and they appear to listen but still go ahead and shoot themselves in the foot. Quite often, it&#8217;s the same foot in the same way every single  time.</p>
<p>As much as you may want to remain emotionally-detached and not judge, you still want to bang your head against the wall just watching them live their lives. THESE people you should reconsider spending too much time with because that constant level of frustration is not worth it and the alternative is to train yourself not to care about their plight.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ibis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this &quot;John&quot; sounds awfully a lot like the last dude I dump- who&#039;s extent of financial budgeting was &quot;If I am going to spend the money to buy something, I will buy the best there is.&quot;  


Lord, why are some people born so clueless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this &#8220;John&#8221; sounds awfully a lot like the last dude I dump- who&#8217;s extent of financial budgeting was &#8220;If I am going to spend the money to buy something, I will buy the best there is.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Lord, why are some people born so clueless?</p>
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		<title>By: knuffel</title>
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		<dc:creator>knuffel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to watch people hurt themselves while they make mistakes and repeat their own mistakes.


They probably send their personal message: &quot;Please hurt me, I like it so much.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to watch people hurt themselves while they make mistakes and repeat their own mistakes.</p>
<p>They probably send their personal message: &#8220;Please hurt me, I like it so much.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MyNameIsMatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>MyNameIsMatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having tried to convince some money wisdom on friends of mine, I know the futility in it.  Still, you always want to help, but sometimes you really do need to draw the line, and let your friends live the lives they lead.  Hopefully, if John sticks with this car, the monthly payments will squeeze him enough that he just can&#039;t resist and will get a better loan.

I think this leads to two conclusions from me.  1) The sad state of education in financial matters.  These cases aren&#039;t limited to this guy.  2) It shows a general confusion and fear that I think most people have with dealing with money, and it&#039;s again sad that it&#039;s in the financial interest of the financial industry as a whole (creditors, banks, financial professionals like investment brokers, etc.) to take people for a ride.  Stuff like this really makes me made on multiple levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having tried to convince some money wisdom on friends of mine, I know the futility in it.  Still, you always want to help, but sometimes you really do need to draw the line, and let your friends live the lives they lead.  Hopefully, if John sticks with this car, the monthly payments will squeeze him enough that he just can&#8217;t resist and will get a better loan.</p>
<p>I think this leads to two conclusions from me.  1) The sad state of education in financial matters.  These cases aren&#8217;t limited to this guy.  2) It shows a general confusion and fear that I think most people have with dealing with money, and it&#8217;s again sad that it&#8217;s in the financial interest of the financial industry as a whole (creditors, banks, financial professionals like investment brokers, etc.) to take people for a ride.  Stuff like this really makes me made on multiple levels.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait . . . is this friend somehow romantically or biologically linked to John?  


..... OR Were they John&#039;s cosigner?  Did John have a cosigner?  Why did the cosigner agree to this?  If he didn&#039;t have or need a cosigner, does that mean he&#039;s making a ton of money and that we are debating the minutia of how he spends a small percentage of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait . . . is this friend somehow romantically or biologically linked to John?  </p>
<p>&#8230;.. OR Were they John&#8217;s cosigner?  Did John have a cosigner?  Why did the cosigner agree to this?  If he didn&#8217;t have or need a cosigner, does that mean he&#8217;s making a ton of money and that we are debating the minutia of how he spends a small percentage of it?</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um . . wow . . .


It&#039;s kinda like this, huh?


&quot;If you had a life-threatening illness, would you take your medication? &quot;Of course,&quot; you might say. Not the average patient, though: Even when facing death, a surprisingly high percentage of patients don&#039;t take the medication prescribed to save their lives.&quot;


Doctors can&#039;t really say or so much to get their patients to take life saving medicine and friends can&#039;t stop friends from shooting themselves in the foot . . . or shooting themselves in the foot with a bigger gun after shooting themselves in the foot the first time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um . . wow . . .</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kinda like this, huh?</p>
<p>&#8220;If you had a life-threatening illness, would you take your medication? &#8220;Of course,&#8221; you might say. Not the average patient, though: Even when facing death, a surprisingly high percentage of patients don&#8217;t take the medication prescribed to save their lives.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doctors can&#8217;t really say or so much to get their patients to take life saving medicine and friends can&#8217;t stop friends from shooting themselves in the foot . . . or shooting themselves in the foot with a bigger gun after shooting themselves in the foot the first time.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I don&#039;t even know where to begin.  First, I&#039;d like to thank John for all the entertainment he&#039;s bought me over the last few days.  What I don&#039;t understand is how he didn&#039;t come prepared. It&#039;s such a big investment!


I&#039;m a 22-year-old college student (Finance major) with a job lined up and I bought a new car around last thanksgiving.  I did a few weeks of research to know exactly what I wanted (Most car dealerships have online inventories so you can choose the exact car) and then figured out exactly what it was worth.  I&#039;ve been saving for it for a while now, got it for $1100 under invoice, paid a little over half down and the rest financed at about 8%. AND I&#039;M 22!  I have a credit card, but only to build credit.  I would have walked out if the finance guy had said more than 10%.  


I loved the idea from yesterday of just leaving the car on the lot.  What this guy is doing is sacrificing his financial future (the years when responsible saving and spending mean the most in the long-term) for a BMW.  Sounds like the guys at the dealership know a sucker when they see one.


At least the rest of us are getting some entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I don&#8217;t even know where to begin.  First, I&#8217;d like to thank John for all the entertainment he&#8217;s bought me over the last few days.  What I don&#8217;t understand is how he didn&#8217;t come prepared. It&#8217;s such a big investment!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a 22-year-old college student (Finance major) with a job lined up and I bought a new car around last thanksgiving.  I did a few weeks of research to know exactly what I wanted (Most car dealerships have online inventories so you can choose the exact car) and then figured out exactly what it was worth.  I&#8217;ve been saving for it for a while now, got it for $1100 under invoice, paid a little over half down and the rest financed at about 8%. AND I&#8217;M 22!  I have a credit card, but only to build credit.  I would have walked out if the finance guy had said more than 10%.  </p>
<p>I loved the idea from yesterday of just leaving the car on the lot.  What this guy is doing is sacrificing his financial future (the years when responsible saving and spending mean the most in the long-term) for a BMW.  Sounds like the guys at the dealership know a sucker when they see one.</p>
<p>At least the rest of us are getting some entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, I don&#039;t recall &quot;John&quot; actually asking his friend for help.  Sure, he was complaining but we all know that&#039;s not the same thing.


Unless someone asks for help, I don&#039;t offer help (not enough hours in the day).  I listen (which is usually what the complainer is wanting).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, I don&#8217;t recall &#8220;John&#8221; actually asking his friend for help.  Sure, he was complaining but we all know that&#8217;s not the same thing.</p>
<p>Unless someone asks for help, I don&#8217;t offer help (not enough hours in the day).  I listen (which is usually what the complainer is wanting).</p>
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		<title>By: Shasta MacNasty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shasta MacNasty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the lesson in all this?  Take public transportation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the lesson in all this?  Take public transportation.</p>
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