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	<title>Comments on: Friday Entrepreneurs &#8211; Kathy Waste, Artist</title>
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		<title>By: CATHIE WASTE</title>
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		<dc:creator>CATHIE WASTE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know I had a twin or was so artistic.  I am the real Cathie Waste so am wondering who you are?  Are you of any relation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know I had a twin or was so artistic.  I am the real Cathie Waste so am wondering who you are?  Are you of any relation?</p>
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		<title>By: Javier Rincon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Javier Rincon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I have a friend who is an artist and I believe this area has a lot of potential. I am currently looking into different possibilities of doing this, especially within the graffitti scene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I have a friend who is an artist and I believe this area has a lot of potential. I am currently looking into different possibilities of doing this, especially within the graffitti scene</p>
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		<title>By: emmalaiho.net/blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; new</title>
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		<dc:creator>emmalaiho.net/blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; new</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting interview on business side of being an artist [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for comments and advise.

It is refreshing to read words on artists and finances.  I was looking for budgeting advise and ran into Kathy&#039;s discussion.   As life sometimes gets in the way, I am not where I would like to be as an artist , but at least I am not where I used to be!  These articles are useful and encouraging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for comments and advise.</p>
<p>It is refreshing to read words on artists and finances.  I was looking for budgeting advise and ran into Kathy&#8217;s discussion.   As life sometimes gets in the way, I am not where I would like to be as an artist , but at least I am not where I used to be!  These articles are useful and encouraging.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been playing with the idea that content-based (or in this case paintings) goods are hard to sell by themselves. I believe having a paycheck in mind can distort the value of the art itself. Art and money seem idealistically contradictory. 

So, I am curious to how much of her art instruction is based on her quality and popularity of her art work and, inversely, how her art instruction serves as a marketing vehicle for her artwork. If this is, at least in part, her business model, having quality artwork or quality instruction would drive the other side of her business. This aligns art and money to have the same goal or influences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been playing with the idea that content-based (or in this case paintings) goods are hard to sell by themselves. I believe having a paycheck in mind can distort the value of the art itself. Art and money seem idealistically contradictory. </p>
<p>So, I am curious to how much of her art instruction is based on her quality and popularity of her art work and, inversely, how her art instruction serves as a marketing vehicle for her artwork. If this is, at least in part, her business model, having quality artwork or quality instruction would drive the other side of her business. This aligns art and money to have the same goal or influences.</p>
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		<title>By: julianne richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>julianne richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a full time fine art &quot;abstract&quot; painter-and simply stumbled
across this site b/c of the &quot;artist&quot; interview-I am so glad I did!!!
I have managed, in a two year period, to create an internet presence that is, especially in today&#039;s world, a way to work &quot;for yourself.&quot; Now, small business it may be, but I am finding out more and more artists decline the whole BIG &quot;Gallery&quot; concept-and sell their artwork and handle the biz side completely themselves.
  They are making much better money than I would&#039;ve ever thought possible, without a gallery or large company to take that 50% (or more).
I just hope this pattern continues and isn&#039;t just a soon to be &quot;over-saturated fad/market.&quot;
    I love painting-but I have more to learn if I want to really be &quot;successful&quot; -financially speaking.
Julianne Richards
   http:// www.yessy.com/richards  (my gallery)
www.colorspeaker.com  (my blog)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a full time fine art &#8220;abstract&#8221; painter-and simply stumbled<br />
across this site b/c of the &#8220;artist&#8221; interview-I am so glad I did!!!<br />
I have managed, in a two year period, to create an internet presence that is, especially in today&#8217;s world, a way to work &#8220;for yourself.&#8221; Now, small business it may be, but I am finding out more and more artists decline the whole BIG &#8220;Gallery&#8221; concept-and sell their artwork and handle the biz side completely themselves.<br />
  They are making much better money than I would&#8217;ve ever thought possible, without a gallery or large company to take that 50% (or more).<br />
I just hope this pattern continues and isn&#8217;t just a soon to be &#8220;over-saturated fad/market.&#8221;<br />
    I love painting-but I have more to learn if I want to really be &#8220;successful&#8221; -financially speaking.<br />
Julianne Richards<br />
   http:// <a href="http://www.yessy.com/richards" rel="nofollow">http://www.yessy.com/richards</a>  (my gallery)<br />
<a href="http://www.colorspeaker.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.colorspeaker.com</a>  (my blog)</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an artist too so I enjoyed reading this interview.  Thank you to both of you.  So many of us get into art because we love to be able to do something different everyday and then find out that that doesn&#039;t pay the bills.  The marketing and business side of art is so important.  And then to find what &quot;sells&quot; rather than what you want to create.  And hopefully what sells is what you like creating.
Kathy, thanks for the list of books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an artist too so I enjoyed reading this interview.  Thank you to both of you.  So many of us get into art because we love to be able to do something different everyday and then find out that that doesn&#8217;t pay the bills.  The marketing and business side of art is so important.  And then to find what &#8220;sells&#8221; rather than what you want to create.  And hopefully what sells is what you like creating.<br />
Kathy, thanks for the list of books.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Lemke Waste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Lemke Waste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Carin&#039;s astute observation about the gallery system:

&quot;The traditional approach sounds expensive as hell with the added issue of relying on someone who doesn&#039;t know your work and may not really care too much about selling it to market and sell it.&quot;

This is a key issue for artists to consider as they place their work into the traditional gallery system.  What I didn&#039;t make clear in my interview is that, not only do many galleries take half of all marketing costs...they also take 50% of the retail price of the artwork.  

For the others who are considering a career in art and want to learn more about the business end of things - here are a few of the books that helped me clarify my thinking:

Made to Stick
Chip and Dan Heath

Trading Up: The New American Luxury
Michael Silverstein and Neil Fiske

A New Brand World
Scott Bedbury and Stephen Fenichell

Art Marketing 101: A Handbook for the Fine Artist 
Constance Smith

Re-Imagine
Tom Peters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Carin&#8217;s astute observation about the gallery system:</p>
<p>&#8220;The traditional approach sounds expensive as hell with the added issue of relying on someone who doesn&#8217;t know your work and may not really care too much about selling it to market and sell it.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a key issue for artists to consider as they place their work into the traditional gallery system.  What I didn&#8217;t make clear in my interview is that, not only do many galleries take half of all marketing costs&#8230;they also take 50% of the retail price of the artwork.  </p>
<p>For the others who are considering a career in art and want to learn more about the business end of things &#8211; here are a few of the books that helped me clarify my thinking:</p>
<p>Made to Stick<br />
Chip and Dan Heath</p>
<p>Trading Up: The New American Luxury<br />
Michael Silverstein and Neil Fiske</p>
<p>A New Brand World<br />
Scott Bedbury and Stephen Fenichell</p>
<p>Art Marketing 101: A Handbook for the Fine Artist<br />
Constance Smith</p>
<p>Re-Imagine<br />
Tom Peters</p>
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		<title>By: sindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an artist as well, really enjoyed this interview.  I agree that things are getting worrisome.  I feel that we should all be taking our own financial education seriously.  Books, tapes, whatever.  Soak it all in.  I signed up w/ iTunes to subscribe to the InvestTalk radio show podcast, which I&#039;d read was a good one – so I can listen to the show whenever I want.  I don&#039;t end up listening to all of them, but I&#039;ve been learning a lot just by playing them when I remember that I&#039;ve got them.  It&#039;s good to have financial advice on demand.  This is where the shows are: http://investtalk.hitfastforward.com/?page_id=13 and there is a blog too: http://blog.investtalk.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an artist as well, really enjoyed this interview.  I agree that things are getting worrisome.  I feel that we should all be taking our own financial education seriously.  Books, tapes, whatever.  Soak it all in.  I signed up w/ iTunes to subscribe to the InvestTalk radio show podcast, which I&#8217;d read was a good one – so I can listen to the show whenever I want.  I don&#8217;t end up listening to all of them, but I&#8217;ve been learning a lot just by playing them when I remember that I&#8217;ve got them.  It&#8217;s good to have financial advice on demand.  This is where the shows are: <a href="http://investtalk.hitfastforward.com/?page_id=13" rel="nofollow">http://investtalk.hitfastforward.com/?page_id=13</a> and there is a blog too: <a href="http://blog.investtalk.com" rel="nofollow">http://blog.investtalk.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for doing this interview. I am an art student, and as an art student, when I ask my fellow art students if they ever worry about making money, they say things like &quot;if you want money, get an office job! Art requires sacrifices!&quot; Most of them come from rich families and don&#039;t seem to worry the slightest bit about the idea of needing to pay off those enormous Harvard-sized art college loans. 

Sometimes I think that maybe I should choose a safer career and then switch to art when I have some money, as it seems Kathy Waste did. But, I can&#039;t really see myself doing anything other than art, and I can&#039;t see myself doing the forms of art that pay well either, such as architecture.

When people think of artists, they think of painters who sell their work through galleries. The truth is, painters like this make up a small minority of all the artists out there. Unfortunately commercial artists aren&#039;t always considered real artists, so they often get overlooked. I&#039;m planning to get a job at a movie or video game studio some time in the future, so hopefully my job will be somewhat more stable than a painters would be, but I&#039;m told that it&#039;s still a difficult way to make a living. 

I have a lot of respect for independent painters, and it&#039;s sometime I&#039;ve considered pursuing, but it&#039;s such an unpredictable world and I&#039;m not all that self disciplined anyway. I also enjoy drawing things that are better suited to movies than to galleries, like dragons.

Ramit, (or anyone else who has advice) I was wondering if you have any tips for prospective artists who want to learn about the business side? My college has a class called business for art students, but I don&#039;t trust it. What skills do you believe most artists are lacking in? What kind of classes should I take to learn how to network and market myself?

I was recently given an opportunity to email someone important to the movie industry, and I haven&#039;t done so yet. I know nothing about this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for doing this interview. I am an art student, and as an art student, when I ask my fellow art students if they ever worry about making money, they say things like &#8220;if you want money, get an office job! Art requires sacrifices!&#8221; Most of them come from rich families and don&#8217;t seem to worry the slightest bit about the idea of needing to pay off those enormous Harvard-sized art college loans. </p>
<p>Sometimes I think that maybe I should choose a safer career and then switch to art when I have some money, as it seems Kathy Waste did. But, I can&#8217;t really see myself doing anything other than art, and I can&#8217;t see myself doing the forms of art that pay well either, such as architecture.</p>
<p>When people think of artists, they think of painters who sell their work through galleries. The truth is, painters like this make up a small minority of all the artists out there. Unfortunately commercial artists aren&#8217;t always considered real artists, so they often get overlooked. I&#8217;m planning to get a job at a movie or video game studio some time in the future, so hopefully my job will be somewhat more stable than a painters would be, but I&#8217;m told that it&#8217;s still a difficult way to make a living. </p>
<p>I have a lot of respect for independent painters, and it&#8217;s sometime I&#8217;ve considered pursuing, but it&#8217;s such an unpredictable world and I&#8217;m not all that self disciplined anyway. I also enjoy drawing things that are better suited to movies than to galleries, like dragons.</p>
<p>Ramit, (or anyone else who has advice) I was wondering if you have any tips for prospective artists who want to learn about the business side? My college has a class called business for art students, but I don&#8217;t trust it. What skills do you believe most artists are lacking in? What kind of classes should I take to learn how to network and market myself?</p>
<p>I was recently given an opportunity to email someone important to the movie industry, and I haven&#8217;t done so yet. I know nothing about this stuff.</p>
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