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		<title>By: Jakitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>girls not only love shoes, they also love costly cosmetics.. and they are looking for sb to buy her these trivial things</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>girls not only love shoes, they also love costly cosmetics.. and they are looking for sb to buy her these trivial things</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice discussion.  People getting bent out of shape about the spending habits of Ramit&#039;s friends are missing the point completely.  There are a lot of different kinds of responsibility.  Ramit promotes financial/fiscal responsibility.  The charity advocates promote social responsibility.  Financial irresponsibility riles Ramit up.  Social irresponsibility riles others up.  The two are neither opposing or related, and it&#039;s pointless to try to argue about one to when someone else is arguing about the other.  Each has there place, and this blog is the place for financial responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice discussion.  People getting bent out of shape about the spending habits of Ramit&#8217;s friends are missing the point completely.  There are a lot of different kinds of responsibility.  Ramit promotes financial/fiscal responsibility.  The charity advocates promote social responsibility.  Financial irresponsibility riles Ramit up.  Social irresponsibility riles others up.  The two are neither opposing or related, and it&#8217;s pointless to try to argue about one to when someone else is arguing about the other.  Each has there place, and this blog is the place for financial responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think all of this is absolutely brilliant.  Habits are habits and people can change - but it is hard.  I am a corporate psychologist and I know how hard it is for people to change.  They can and I think it is worth making sure derailing things are taken care of, but lets face it - it is hard.  Everything you say here can be applied to 1000 other examples from food to exercise to work/life balance.
My story (similar to many others) fits your model exactly - I am a consultant, work for myself and make plenty o&#039; money. 11 years ago in graduate school I made $18,000 a year at my full time, 40+ hour a week job not including the one evening per week I worked an extra shift in the ER - for free.  I got paid 2 checks a month which was approx $600 each check.  My bills were about $1000 a month before food and I made $1200 a month.  I still managed to not take on any school debt that year, save a wee bit and eat out twice a week...once a week before my ER shift at a healthy place for different Asian cuisines, and once a week for ridiculously delicious burgers and beer with my friends at a great bar in Memphis called &quot;The Poor and Hungry&quot;.
I do the same things now except the wine is much higher quality and the restaurants do not use duct tape as a decoration (ok, some of them do - I still love these kinds of restaurants!).   Friends were of similar mind then - Now, my husband and set of friends are similar.  We all make money, we all save and we all choose where to blow money and have a blast together.
I love eating out and trying new restaurants and cuisines so much I even set culinary goals when I travel.  That fact will never change.  However, flexing the level of restaurant to fit the circumstance can change - that&#039;s the easy part.
Very well done!   Bravo!  I can&#039;t wait to read the book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all of this is absolutely brilliant.  Habits are habits and people can change &#8211; but it is hard.  I am a corporate psychologist and I know how hard it is for people to change.  They can and I think it is worth making sure derailing things are taken care of, but lets face it &#8211; it is hard.  Everything you say here can be applied to 1000 other examples from food to exercise to work/life balance.</p>
<p>My story (similar to many others) fits your model exactly &#8211; I am a consultant, work for myself and make plenty o&#8217; money. 11 years ago in graduate school I made $18,000 a year at my full time, 40+ hour a week job not including the one evening per week I worked an extra shift in the ER &#8211; for free.  I got paid 2 checks a month which was approx $600 each check.  My bills were about $1000 a month before food and I made $1200 a month.  I still managed to not take on any school debt that year, save a wee bit and eat out twice a week&#8230;once a week before my ER shift at a healthy place for different Asian cuisines, and once a week for ridiculously delicious burgers and beer with my friends at a great bar in Memphis called &#8220;The Poor and Hungry&#8221;.   </p>
<p>I do the same things now except the wine is much higher quality and the restaurants do not use duct tape as a decoration (ok, some of them do &#8211; I still love these kinds of restaurants!).   Friends were of similar mind then &#8211; Now, my husband and set of friends are similar.  We all make money, we all save and we all choose where to blow money and have a blast together. </p>
<p>I love eating out and trying new restaurants and cuisines so much I even set culinary goals when I travel.  That fact will never change.  However, flexing the level of restaurant to fit the circumstance can change &#8211; that&#8217;s the easy part.</p>
<p>Very well done!   Bravo!  I can&#8217;t wait to read the book!</p>
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		<title>By: Manda B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manda B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just here to toss a couple of pennies into the well. Although this article is kinda sensationalist (Cosmo man-catching tricks and tips come to mind), I think the point he is trying to make is about the importance of a Balanced financial diet. Planning and discipline does not have to mean sacrificing every little thing from which you derive pleasure. Even the food guide pyramid has a place for fats and sweets.
Ramit&#039;s post is showing that, his friends are able to enjoy the fats and sweets (discretionary spending) along with their balanced expense diet of whole grains (work), fruits (investing), vegetables (financial responsibilities), dairy (charitable giving), and meat (school and career improvements).
I can&#039;t lie--I am actually a bit of a socialist. It&#039;s really not an insult to believe that we all have a responsibility to help serve our fellow man and that people are entitled by birth to free and adequate healthcare or food to eat. And the amount of money these two spend on their hobbies give me a bout of sticker shock (I am a social worker in St. Louis and at $10 an hour,  it takes me about three months to earn the $5000 that his friend carrie bradshaw spends on shoes every year).
But the point he is trying to make is that extravagance is subjective, and that it is possible to spend what many consider to be a large sum and frivolous amount while still being financially responsible.
In my example, it&#039;s musical instruments that I lovingly pursue. I do not play any musical instrument proficiently. But it has always been my passion and my dream to learn to play the violin. So a year ago I began renting and taking lessons. This year I will continue with my violin lessons, and also begin learning to play piano. I am in the process of purchasing my first decent piano, a Kimball console which costs $1200, from a music store.
Many people reading will have one of two reactions: &quot;1200 for a piano! That&#039;s ridiculous! I wouldn&#039;t spend that on an instrument I couldn&#039;t play! I wouldn&#039;t even spend that on a car! I could get a better deal on craigslist!&quot; or &quot;1200 for a piano! That&#039;s ridiculous! How can you expect a decent piano for 1200 dollars! It probably doesn&#039;t even look nice!&quot;
I find myself somewhere in between. As I said, $10 an hour doesn&#039;t go very far--in fact, that bad-boy is on 6-month layaway. And I will admit it&#039;s not a Steinway baby grand. But it&#039;s extremely hard to play an instrument you do not have access to. And it is much much better than other models like a spinet.
Not knowing much about pianos, I am at a real disadvantage when it comes to purchasing one from craigslist or from any other independent owner. Buying a lemon could cost me thousands of dollars that I  can&#039;t afford just because I tried to do it quick and dirty. By buying from a music store, I get a warrantee, maintenance, delivery, and Free Music Lessons all included in the price.
For my income it is a relatively extravagant purchase, but because of the added value of buying on layaway from a respected dealer, I can justify and plan around the expense. Plus, it is not just a hobby or an experiment but an investment. As a newlywed planning for a family, I cannot help but see a piano as an exciting way to introduce my future children to the joy and excitement that music brings. And I can always upgrade to a more expensive, higher quality instrument in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just here to toss a couple of pennies into the well. Although this article is kinda sensationalist (Cosmo man-catching tricks and tips come to mind), I think the point he is trying to make is about the importance of a Balanced financial diet. Planning and discipline does not have to mean sacrificing every little thing from which you derive pleasure. Even the food guide pyramid has a place for fats and sweets. </p>
<p>Ramit&#8217;s post is showing that, his friends are able to enjoy the fats and sweets (discretionary spending) along with their balanced expense diet of whole grains (work), fruits (investing), vegetables (financial responsibilities), dairy (charitable giving), and meat (school and career improvements).</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t lie&#8211;I am actually a bit of a socialist. It&#8217;s really not an insult to believe that we all have a responsibility to help serve our fellow man and that people are entitled by birth to free and adequate healthcare or food to eat. And the amount of money these two spend on their hobbies give me a bout of sticker shock (I am a social worker in St. Louis and at $10 an hour,  it takes me about three months to earn the $5000 that his friend carrie bradshaw spends on shoes every year). </p>
<p>But the point he is trying to make is that extravagance is subjective, and that it is possible to spend what many consider to be a large sum and frivolous amount while still being financially responsible. </p>
<p>In my example, it&#8217;s musical instruments that I lovingly pursue. I do not play any musical instrument proficiently. But it has always been my passion and my dream to learn to play the violin. So a year ago I began renting and taking lessons. This year I will continue with my violin lessons, and also begin learning to play piano. I am in the process of purchasing my first decent piano, a Kimball console which costs $1200, from a music store. </p>
<p>Many people reading will have one of two reactions: &#8220;1200 for a piano! That&#8217;s ridiculous! I wouldn&#8217;t spend that on an instrument I couldn&#8217;t play! I wouldn&#8217;t even spend that on a car! I could get a better deal on craigslist!&#8221; or &#8220;1200 for a piano! That&#8217;s ridiculous! How can you expect a decent piano for 1200 dollars! It probably doesn&#8217;t even look nice!&#8221; </p>
<p>I find myself somewhere in between. As I said, $10 an hour doesn&#8217;t go very far&#8211;in fact, that bad-boy is on 6-month layaway. And I will admit it&#8217;s not a Steinway baby grand. But it&#8217;s extremely hard to play an instrument you do not have access to. And it is much much better than other models like a spinet.</p>
<p>Not knowing much about pianos, I am at a real disadvantage when it comes to purchasing one from craigslist or from any other independent owner. Buying a lemon could cost me thousands of dollars that I  can&#8217;t afford just because I tried to do it quick and dirty. By buying from a music store, I get a warrantee, maintenance, delivery, and Free Music Lessons all included in the price. </p>
<p>For my income it is a relatively extravagant purchase, but because of the added value of buying on layaway from a respected dealer, I can justify and plan around the expense. Plus, it is not just a hobby or an experiment but an investment. As a newlywed planning for a family, I cannot help but see a piano as an exciting way to introduce my future children to the joy and excitement that music brings. And I can always upgrade to a more expensive, higher quality instrument in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Kudos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kudos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramit - Kudos to you for having a demographic you target with your blog and sticking to your guns. I definitely appreciate your articles on career motivation.
For those of us who are not quite as well off as those examples you give, lets try to think of this as motivation to increase our earning potential instead of another reason to sound off on someone else. Maybe the effort you spend flaming his examples could be better focused?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramit &#8211; Kudos to you for having a demographic you target with your blog and sticking to your guns. I definitely appreciate your articles on career motivation.</p>
<p>For those of us who are not quite as well off as those examples you give, lets try to think of this as motivation to increase our earning potential instead of another reason to sound off on someone else. Maybe the effort you spend flaming his examples could be better focused?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. I&#039;m just curious as to why so many people had to drag ethics into finance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. I&#8217;m just curious as to why so many people had to drag ethics into finance.</p>
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		<title>By: Greenie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I wonder how these friends, or HedgeNYC are doing now... and if they ll think spendstiing 21K/year on going out is a good idea.  &quot;Wreckless&quot; [sic] indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I wonder how these friends, or HedgeNYC are doing now&#8230; and if they ll think spendstiing 21K/year on going out is a good idea.  &#8220;Wreckless&#8221; [sic] indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenReaper</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking for the furry lobby, there are indeed people willing to spend multiple thousands (in a few cases, even a few tens of thousands) of dollars on those costumes. Both they and other fans get a lot of enjoyment out of them, and it typically keeps the money in the US economy, which is more than I can say for buying a lot of tech stuff from China. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking for the furry lobby, there are indeed people willing to spend multiple thousands (in a few cases, even a few tens of thousands) of dollars on those costumes. Both they and other fans get a lot of enjoyment out of them, and it typically keeps the money in the US economy, which is more than I can say for buying a lot of tech stuff from China. <img src='http://iwt.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the article as well, even though I already know the name of the game (budgetting). Seeing the numbers here, I feel that we Belgians (EU) do not have the same control over our expenses, because of higher tax withholding, and that&#039;s a pity! (subtract 60% from your gross income and add 7k to arrive at your net income; 21k/35k in my case, which is good pay for a graduate). I admit we see back some of those taxes (no expensive medical insurance or education) but my point still stands. I am planning to move abroad and of course I will pick a country with more financial freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the article as well, even though I already know the name of the game (budgetting). Seeing the numbers here, I feel that we Belgians (EU) do not have the same control over our expenses, because of higher tax withholding, and that&#8217;s a pity! (subtract 60% from your gross income and add 7k to arrive at your net income; 21k/35k in my case, which is good pay for a graduate). I admit we see back some of those taxes (no expensive medical insurance or education) but my point still stands. I am planning to move abroad and of course I will pick a country with more financial freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Birdie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Birdie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!  Found you through Fabulously Broke in the City.
The post was insightful (and I found that I identified with having already allocated cash to places without thinking about it)...
Just thought I&#039;d say hey, and kudos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  Found you through Fabulously Broke in the City.  </p>
<p>The post was insightful (and I found that I identified with having already allocated cash to places without thinking about it)&#8230;</p>
<p>Just thought I&#8217;d say hey, and kudos.</p>
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