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		<title>By: kayla</title>
		<link>http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/companies-dont-care-about-money/#comment-3288</link>
		<dc:creator>kayla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eROCk - you could always check out averages for salaries in your area, they tend to be fairly accurate at least as an average. And as far as negotiating salary, never make it about the money but about what more you&#039;ll do, and what it will bring. If you are just negotiating for salary alone, you are greedy and won&#039;t get it. If it&#039;s because you&#039;ll go above and beyond, you contribute xyz, then it&#039;s easy to justify.
Ramit - I agree with most of your post; and I know PBwiki is your small company example. But there are small companies out there, partner owned (like mine) that DO care about money a whole lot.  Because dollars going to me take away from the partners at the end of the day. I think a key point in what you ask for is also to see if it&#039;s a tax write off for your company, especially if you are smaller. Then, it&#039;s not coming out of the partner&#039;s pocket but actually helping them out. It&#039;s all about ROI as Ramit said.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eROCk &#8211; you could always check out averages for salaries in your area, they tend to be fairly accurate at least as an average. And as far as negotiating salary, never make it about the money but about what more you&#8217;ll do, and what it will bring. If you are just negotiating for salary alone, you are greedy and won&#8217;t get it. If it&#8217;s because you&#8217;ll go above and beyond, you contribute xyz, then it&#8217;s easy to justify.</p>
<p>Ramit &#8211; I agree with most of your post; and I know PBwiki is your small company example. But there are small companies out there, partner owned (like mine) that DO care about money a whole lot.  Because dollars going to me take away from the partners at the end of the day. I think a key point in what you ask for is also to see if it&#8217;s a tax write off for your company, especially if you are smaller. Then, it&#8217;s not coming out of the partner&#8217;s pocket but actually helping them out. It&#8217;s all about ROI as Ramit said.</p>
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		<title>By: eR0CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>eR0CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point TS.
Unfortunately, it&#039;s hard to find out what others make ... outside of asking them (unethical), I&#039;m not sure what else I could do.
I know I&#039;m at the bottom half salary wise.  I checked salary.com and for my role I&#039;m about 10% less then the average base salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point TS.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, it&#8217;s hard to find out what others make &#8230; outside of asking them (unethical), I&#8217;m not sure what else I could do.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m at the bottom half salary wise.  I checked salary.com and for my role I&#8217;m about 10% less then the average base salary.</p>
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		<title>By: Transcendental Success</title>
		<link>http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/companies-dont-care-about-money/#comment-3286</link>
		<dc:creator>Transcendental Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salary Negotiations:  #1 Find out what others are making -- if they are making more than you then it is easy to get into their range because of precedent.  Make up any reason except complaining about workload, personal bills, etc.  Just cite that you accepted the &quot;developmental&quot; rate before, but now you are a proveably strong contributor so it&#039;s time to pony up the &quot;strong contributor&#039;s&quot; rate.
&lt;br /&gt;If you already make near or at the top then you are the golden boy and could probably get even more raises or a promotion just by asking strongly.
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If you try to grumble towards a raise you will get nothing but a bad rep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salary Negotiations:  #1 Find out what others are making &#8212; if they are making more than you then it is easy to get into their range because of precedent.  Make up any reason except complaining about workload, personal bills, etc.  Just cite that you accepted the &#8220;developmental&#8221; rate before, but now you are a proveably strong contributor so it&#8217;s time to pony up the &#8220;strong contributor&#8217;s&#8221; rate.<br />
<br />If you already make near or at the top then you are the golden boy and could probably get even more raises or a promotion just by asking strongly.<br />
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If you try to grumble towards a raise you will get nothing but a bad rep.</p>
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		<title>By: eR0CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>eR0CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ramit, first of all, great post!
I followed the link to “Don&#039;t Quit without Asking for What You Want&#039; and a fellow reader commented:
&quot;Ramit. I&#039;d love to hear you riff on salary negotiation. What&#039;s the best way to play your cards when you don&#039;t know what the dealer is holding?&quot;
I&#039;d like to second that reader’s request.
In my particular situation, I&#039;ve been with the company six months and have concluded from others that the company is very &#039;cheap&#039;.  When I was hired, I attempted to negotiate my pay, but was repeatedly shut down vis-à-vis the alleged “costs we’ll need to cover in order to educate you”.  The company paid about $12K to “educate me”.
Once my review comes around, I want that $12K added on to my current pay and maybe even 4% raise on top of that.  I can&#039;t help but think this is unreasonable and unethical of me to ask for such a request.
I’ve taken appropriate initiative thus far.  My boss and I went to lunch just last week to go over my thoughts on the workload, his expectations, etc.  Everything was in check, but I felt that it was not appropriate to talk about salary six months after being hired.
I’d love to hear your two sense, but maybe this is a topic for a future post.
Keep up the great work.
-Erich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ramit, first of all, great post!</p>
<p>I followed the link to “Don&#8217;t Quit without Asking for What You Want&#8217; and a fellow reader commented:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ramit. I&#8217;d love to hear you riff on salary negotiation. What&#8217;s the best way to play your cards when you don&#8217;t know what the dealer is holding?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to second that reader’s request.  </p>
<p>In my particular situation, I&#8217;ve been with the company six months and have concluded from others that the company is very &#8216;cheap&#8217;.  When I was hired, I attempted to negotiate my pay, but was repeatedly shut down vis-à-vis the alleged “costs we’ll need to cover in order to educate you”.  The company paid about $12K to “educate me”.</p>
<p>Once my review comes around, I want that $12K added on to my current pay and maybe even 4% raise on top of that.  I can&#8217;t help but think this is unreasonable and unethical of me to ask for such a request.</p>
<p>I’ve taken appropriate initiative thus far.  My boss and I went to lunch just last week to go over my thoughts on the workload, his expectations, etc.  Everything was in check, but I felt that it was not appropriate to talk about salary six months after being hired.</p>
<p>I’d love to hear your two sense, but maybe this is a topic for a future post.</p>
<p>Keep up the great work.</p>
<p>-Erich</p>
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		<title>By: Transcendental Success</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transcendental Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like everything else it is more who you know.  If you know the boss or the VP (or better yet ARE the boss) then you can get practically anything.  I wanted to get a sports team funded for a few thousand dollars and it was easy once I got an inside connection.  Others who go the business case route have a much tougher time.&lt;br /&gt;
Regarding peeing in a cup:  Behavior in large companies are sometimes that if the expense is not being charged against the person&#039;s budget then they don&#039;t care.  Either that or the person you were talking to didn&#039;t own a budget.  There was no personal connection to the money being spent so they don&#039;t care, and having it done a different way was probably a hassle for him.  I don&#039;t like those kind of managers.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like everything else it is more who you know.  If you know the boss or the VP (or better yet ARE the boss) then you can get practically anything.  I wanted to get a sports team funded for a few thousand dollars and it was easy once I got an inside connection.  Others who go the business case route have a much tougher time.<br />
Regarding peeing in a cup:  Behavior in large companies are sometimes that if the expense is not being charged against the person&#8217;s budget then they don&#8217;t care.  Either that or the person you were talking to didn&#8217;t own a budget.  There was no personal connection to the money being spent so they don&#8217;t care, and having it done a different way was probably a hassle for him.  I don&#8217;t like those kind of managers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Quint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Quint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 06:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be a great thing to ask in an interview... &quot;So, what do I have to take if I want to go to conference X?&quot; Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be a great thing to ask in an interview&#8230; &#8220;So, what do I have to take if I want to go to conference X?&#8221; Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: sri</title>
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		<dc:creator>sri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked at a medium sized university. Unless they see the HUGE ROI of sending you to a conference ESPECIALLY if you are a student, then ur chances are slim. I brought in multi million dollar business for the university so as a result, i could go on &#039;luxurious&#039; recruiting trips to asia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at a medium sized university. Unless they see the HUGE ROI of sending you to a conference ESPECIALLY if you are a student, then ur chances are slim. I brought in multi million dollar business for the university so as a result, i could go on &#8216;luxurious&#8217; recruiting trips to asia.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been working a large aerospace company since I graduated from college two years ago.  Sometimes I regret not hiring into a smaller company or working for myself. Large companies can be frustrating and it can take forever to get anything done.
Despite the occasional frustrations, one of the biggest benefits of being at a large company is for all the reasons Ramit mentioned in this post.  If you&#039;re motivated and can sell your pitch, you really can do just about anything.  In many cases, the path may already be cleared for you.  The company I work for will pay for any degree you wish to pursue and the degree doesn&#039;t even have to relate to your job.
As for borrowing money from the parents, I really hate doing this primarily because I try to keep money and family far apart from eachother.  I might be forced to &quot;pitch&quot; them on helping me purchase a home, however, since the housing market in Southern California is so expensive right now.
- Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been working a large aerospace company since I graduated from college two years ago.  Sometimes I regret not hiring into a smaller company or working for myself. Large companies can be frustrating and it can take forever to get anything done. </p>
<p>Despite the occasional frustrations, one of the biggest benefits of being at a large company is for all the reasons Ramit mentioned in this post.  If you&#8217;re motivated and can sell your pitch, you really can do just about anything.  In many cases, the path may already be cleared for you.  The company I work for will pay for any degree you wish to pursue and the degree doesn&#8217;t even have to relate to your job. </p>
<p>As for borrowing money from the parents, I really hate doing this primarily because I try to keep money and family far apart from eachother.  I might be forced to &#8220;pitch&#8221; them on helping me purchase a home, however, since the housing market in Southern California is so expensive right now.</p>
<p>- Josh</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post - I&#039;ve been trying to figure out a way to get to a Tony Robbins Conference (yea, call me shallow, but I love the guy) - but the Conferences are typically $2500 or so. I&#039;m a 5th semester Business Major and I teach an incoming freshmen &quot;get to know the campus&quot; type class. I wonder if I can spin a proposal that makes my University pay for an expensive conference if I can guarantee an ROI...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post &#8211; I&#8217;ve been trying to figure out a way to get to a Tony Robbins Conference (yea, call me shallow, but I love the guy) &#8211; but the Conferences are typically $2500 or so. I&#8217;m a 5th semester Business Major and I teach an incoming freshmen &#8220;get to know the campus&#8221; type class. I wonder if I can spin a proposal that makes my University pay for an expensive conference if I can guarantee an ROI&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ramit Sethi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramit Sethi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. A new redesign is in the pipeline, which should fix that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. A new redesign is in the pipeline, which should fix that.</p>
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