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		<title>By: Colin J. Campbell &#8211; Abundant Artist Intern — The Abundant Artist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin J. Campbell &#8211; Abundant Artist Intern — The Abundant Artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was around this point I came across Cory&#8217;s guest post on IWTYTBR and that theme of &#8216;The Starving Artist is a Myth&#8217; chimed with everything I had been [...]</description>
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		<title>By: La Vie de Boheme &#8211; The Original Starving Artists — The Abundant Artist The Abundant Artist</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Vie de Boheme &#8211; The Original Starving Artists — The Abundant Artist The Abundant Artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 15:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] really isn&#8217;t an excuse. When I did a guest post on IWillTeachYouToBeRich.com, there were several artists who opined in the comments section that I was putting artists down, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Great Articles To Read 3-21-10</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Articles To Read 3-21-10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Berkshire pick is rocking! First the Alexa Rankings and Then The World by My Journey to Millions. The Myth of the Starving Artist at I Will Teach You To Be Rich. Fire your bank with the Switch Bank Accounts Checklist from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Berkshire pick is rocking! First the Alexa Rankings and Then The World by My Journey to Millions. The Myth of the Starving Artist at I Will Teach You To Be Rich. Fire your bank with the Switch Bank Accounts Checklist from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mneiae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mneiae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramit, I think that you should get tested by Johnson O&#039;Connor. I think that it would be really interesting to see what kind of natural aptitudes you have. Dexterity with tools that create art would probably not be one of them :) As you do talk about career/life choices here, it would be an interesting topic and one that would spark some interest. Most people who go through testing recommend it to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramit, I think that you should get tested by Johnson O&#8217;Connor. I think that it would be really interesting to see what kind of natural aptitudes you have. Dexterity with tools that create art would probably not be one of them <img src='http://iwt.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  As you do talk about career/life choices here, it would be an interesting topic and one that would spark some interest. Most people who go through testing recommend it to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Wednesday Wisdom &#124; Big Red Tomato Company</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wednesday Wisdom &#124; Big Red Tomato Company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up is from Ramit&#8217;s blog : I will teach you to be rich which is a great mindset article which although focuses on why Artists Don&#8217;t Make Money, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this post proves anything it&#039;s that dictionaries are friggin&#039; useless. Webster says that art describes something produced as an artistic effort or for decorative purposes and I won&#039;t even go into its usage as a noun. it&#039;s pretty clear that no one really cares what the dictionary says and the meaning of art is unique to all of us. This makes it pointless to continue posting comments. Most of us are defending what art means to us individually to people that don&#039;t care. Not because they are insensitive but because they don&#039;t need anyone to tell them what art means to them. So if the word originated in the 13th century like the dictionary suggests we&#039;ve all been beating a dead horse for 700 years. That horse isn&#039;t getting any deader and it sure isn&#039;t coming back to life. Ramit hates art as he defines it but not as you define it. Cory then goes on to warn you that this is quite common and it shouldn&#039;t influence your attitude about your own work. Stop excepting labels from other people and start making your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this post proves anything it&#8217;s that dictionaries are friggin&#8217; useless. Webster says that art describes something produced as an artistic effort or for decorative purposes and I won&#8217;t even go into its usage as a noun. it&#8217;s pretty clear that no one really cares what the dictionary says and the meaning of art is unique to all of us. This makes it pointless to continue posting comments. Most of us are defending what art means to us individually to people that don&#8217;t care. Not because they are insensitive but because they don&#8217;t need anyone to tell them what art means to them. So if the word originated in the 13th century like the dictionary suggests we&#8217;ve all been beating a dead horse for 700 years. That horse isn&#8217;t getting any deader and it sure isn&#8217;t coming back to life. Ramit hates art as he defines it but not as you define it. Cory then goes on to warn you that this is quite common and it shouldn&#8217;t influence your attitude about your own work. Stop excepting labels from other people and start making your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lobban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Lobban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I hate art [and] artists (and most non-profits).&quot; Ramit this can&#039;t possibly be true. You might consider injecting one or two adjectives into that statement to attribute some clarification, such as &quot;I hate lousy art [and] clueless artists (and most superfluous non-profits).&quot; I&#039;m trying to imagine what Thomas Krens or Tobias Meyer or even Warren Buffet, three individuals part of an esteemed community that oversee and influence a billion-dollar global industry annually, would say in response to just that statement (in context) -- which may be nothing beyond a frown and, in Meyer&#039;s case, a few glamorous eye rolls. As a tech-evangelist and business marketeer, consider the important historical relationships Mark C. Taylor explores between art, technology, and finance in his book &quot;Confidence Games&quot;, that trending in most economies and market forces grow in deep relation to the cultural mediums they&#039;re designed to reflect; so much that the art of the times becomes indicative of the strength of its currency and vice versa. I&#039;d venture to say that if Adam Smith took a long, hard look at our financial system today he&#039;d point out the function of it&#039;s aesthetics and then quickly ask to speak with the world&#039;s most powerful art figures, dealers, and scholars. I&#039;m sure you&#039;d agree that to edge understanding forward you need both. It&#039;s clear by the entry that you, with Cory&#039;s help, meant to provide some aide to the confused, bewildered, and pugnacious sort -- those altogether still as mystified as they were in grade school about what it really means to make enlightened contributions to society, its nature/artifice -- but overall I&#039;d hate to be dispelled by the general notion that, despite everything, the author of one of my favorite new books feels nothing but contempt in the presence of Picasso or Arpita Singh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I hate art [and] artists (and most non-profits).&#8221; Ramit this can&#8217;t possibly be true. You might consider injecting one or two adjectives into that statement to attribute some clarification, such as &#8220;I hate lousy art [and] clueless artists (and most superfluous non-profits).&#8221; I&#8217;m trying to imagine what Thomas Krens or Tobias Meyer or even Warren Buffet, three individuals part of an esteemed community that oversee and influence a billion-dollar global industry annually, would say in response to just that statement (in context) &#8212; which may be nothing beyond a frown and, in Meyer&#8217;s case, a few glamorous eye rolls. As a tech-evangelist and business marketeer, consider the important historical relationships Mark C. Taylor explores between art, technology, and finance in his book &#8220;Confidence Games&#8221;, that trending in most economies and market forces grow in deep relation to the cultural mediums they&#8217;re designed to reflect; so much that the art of the times becomes indicative of the strength of its currency and vice versa. I&#8217;d venture to say that if Adam Smith took a long, hard look at our financial system today he&#8217;d point out the function of it&#8217;s aesthetics and then quickly ask to speak with the world&#8217;s most powerful art figures, dealers, and scholars. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d agree that to edge understanding forward you need both. It&#8217;s clear by the entry that you, with Cory&#8217;s help, meant to provide some aide to the confused, bewildered, and pugnacious sort &#8212; those altogether still as mystified as they were in grade school about what it really means to make enlightened contributions to society, its nature/artifice &#8212; but overall I&#8217;d hate to be dispelled by the general notion that, despite everything, the author of one of my favorite new books feels nothing but contempt in the presence of Picasso or Arpita Singh.</p>
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		<title>By: Na</title>
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		<dc:creator>Na</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with many of the er, disagreements about this post. (Lauren, Yosoko)
Half the struggle with artwork is convincing the general public that your price - which covers your costs fairly and reasonably - is worth it.
Most people assume that artwork is cheap, and don&#039;t want to spend much on it. I work in puppetry, and most people think that because they can make a puppet out of a sock and some buttons, that you can produce something looking like a Henson muppet for the same cost.
The general public need to be as educated as the artist is, otherwise the artist (without realising it) lowers their costs to suit what they think their market will pay. And then they undercut themselves, all the while thinking it&#039;s to their own benefit.
I may be a &#039;struggling artist&#039;, but I&#039;m also an entrepeneur, and most of those I work with don&#039;t at all believe in the myth of selling out, actually encourage correct pricing, chose to work in their field (and get swamped with projects - that&#039;s the REAL trap), and don&#039;t wait around for others to hand work to them.
It also depends entirely upon what COUNTRY you are in, as different countries have different market sizes in different fields. You can easily exhaust your money-making options touring your professional acting troupe to Australia for instance. Which is why so many Aussie actors end up overseas; which further reduces the opportunities for those who stay in their country.
I would say that the main reason artists fail in business is because most OTHER businesses also fail. It&#039;s just that artists have less of an interest in doing the &#039;boring&#039; stuff (ie. book keeping) and more of an interest in actually doing their art. Which is why so many smart and successful artists outsource their bookkeeping stuff...
Glendon hints at another thing: most new artists are also so keen to get their name out there that they don&#039;t fully invest time in assessing the project. The number of times I&#039;ve wasted money, effort, etc in chasing projects that fell through; people who were dodgy; projects that I ended up hating because it wasn&#039;t right for me... etc. Artists need to learn to be choosy too.
As someone currently unemployed but spending every waking minute on my art and barely seeing any money on it, I think it&#039;s also insulting to say it&#039;s all about laziness. For most of us, I believe it&#039;s all about finding the right path for US, and not SOMEONE ELSE, because there&#039;s no guide to success for every single artist in their particular style and method of working (as much as the OP can try to convince us otherwise).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with many of the er, disagreements about this post. (Lauren, Yosoko)</p>
<p>Half the struggle with artwork is convincing the general public that your price &#8211; which covers your costs fairly and reasonably &#8211; is worth it.</p>
<p>Most people assume that artwork is cheap, and don&#8217;t want to spend much on it. I work in puppetry, and most people think that because they can make a puppet out of a sock and some buttons, that you can produce something looking like a Henson muppet for the same cost.</p>
<p>The general public need to be as educated as the artist is, otherwise the artist (without realising it) lowers their costs to suit what they think their market will pay. And then they undercut themselves, all the while thinking it&#8217;s to their own benefit.</p>
<p>I may be a &#8216;struggling artist&#8217;, but I&#8217;m also an entrepeneur, and most of those I work with don&#8217;t at all believe in the myth of selling out, actually encourage correct pricing, chose to work in their field (and get swamped with projects &#8211; that&#8217;s the REAL trap), and don&#8217;t wait around for others to hand work to them.</p>
<p>It also depends entirely upon what COUNTRY you are in, as different countries have different market sizes in different fields. You can easily exhaust your money-making options touring your professional acting troupe to Australia for instance. Which is why so many Aussie actors end up overseas; which further reduces the opportunities for those who stay in their country.</p>
<p>I would say that the main reason artists fail in business is because most OTHER businesses also fail. It&#8217;s just that artists have less of an interest in doing the &#8216;boring&#8217; stuff (ie. book keeping) and more of an interest in actually doing their art. Which is why so many smart and successful artists outsource their bookkeeping stuff&#8230;</p>
<p>Glendon hints at another thing: most new artists are also so keen to get their name out there that they don&#8217;t fully invest time in assessing the project. The number of times I&#8217;ve wasted money, effort, etc in chasing projects that fell through; people who were dodgy; projects that I ended up hating because it wasn&#8217;t right for me&#8230; etc. Artists need to learn to be choosy too.</p>
<p>As someone currently unemployed but spending every waking minute on my art and barely seeing any money on it, I think it&#8217;s also insulting to say it&#8217;s all about laziness. For most of us, I believe it&#8217;s all about finding the right path for US, and not SOMEONE ELSE, because there&#8217;s no guide to success for every single artist in their particular style and method of working (as much as the OP can try to convince us otherwise).</p>
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		<title>By: Sierra Rein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sierra Rein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts as a musical theater/cabaret singer currently in New York:
The draw of performing, working with other artists, growing as an individual creative entity often &quot;feels&quot; like payment on the emotional level, therefore some artists feel unable to charge a certain amount per performance, rehearsal, &quot;gig.&quot;  The thought of &quot;oh they want to work with me and like my talent, how could I ask for anything more?&quot; gets in the way.  It also often seems like you can&#039;t place a price on one&#039;s talent, and we&#039;re often supposed to be &quot;humble&quot; as performers.  We often need agents, managers, someone to name a price and/or haggle for the price of our talent, and if we don&#039;t have those team members to speak for us, we&#039;re often at a loss.  There&#039;s also the myth of &quot;paying your dues&quot; and working pro bono until you have a &quot;name&quot; for yourself, and thus can start charging any amount of money for your time, talent and effort.  We as actor-singers get bitter at the thought of someone auditioning for the very first time and getting a high-paying role without &quot;doing the time&quot; by working for free for many years.  But that bitterness comes from comparing ourselves to that &quot;lucky&quot; person, and does not come from any perspective of power.
Another thought is on the Education side: for the most part, in High School, College, and in any number of Acting classes (speaking only of my Los Angeles and New York experiences), it&#039;s often the Business and Financial sides of acting/singing which are overlooked.  Those who take even Business 101 or Marketing in college are more likely to understand how to incorporate the thoughts of being a mini-Corporation or self-managed business.  I&#039;m an intelligent artist, can follow instructions, plans and outlined rational thoughts, and even I&#039;m sometimes caught frozen when thinking of setting my own price for a performance.  But after looking at the thousands of dollars I&#039;ve spent over the years on voice lessons, classes, training, travel, etc...I&#039;ve learned that being humble about my talent, my work ethic, and my sense of self worth is just not a good business sense.
And I thank blog entries like this for filling in that semester or two of Business 101 that I didn&#039;t get at UCLA...thanks for writing it and for the great comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts as a musical theater/cabaret singer currently in New York:</p>
<p>The draw of performing, working with other artists, growing as an individual creative entity often &#8220;feels&#8221; like payment on the emotional level, therefore some artists feel unable to charge a certain amount per performance, rehearsal, &#8220;gig.&#8221;  The thought of &#8220;oh they want to work with me and like my talent, how could I ask for anything more?&#8221; gets in the way.  It also often seems like you can&#8217;t place a price on one&#8217;s talent, and we&#8217;re often supposed to be &#8220;humble&#8221; as performers.  We often need agents, managers, someone to name a price and/or haggle for the price of our talent, and if we don&#8217;t have those team members to speak for us, we&#8217;re often at a loss.  There&#8217;s also the myth of &#8220;paying your dues&#8221; and working pro bono until you have a &#8220;name&#8221; for yourself, and thus can start charging any amount of money for your time, talent and effort.  We as actor-singers get bitter at the thought of someone auditioning for the very first time and getting a high-paying role without &#8220;doing the time&#8221; by working for free for many years.  But that bitterness comes from comparing ourselves to that &#8220;lucky&#8221; person, and does not come from any perspective of power.</p>
<p>Another thought is on the Education side: for the most part, in High School, College, and in any number of Acting classes (speaking only of my Los Angeles and New York experiences), it&#8217;s often the Business and Financial sides of acting/singing which are overlooked.  Those who take even Business 101 or Marketing in college are more likely to understand how to incorporate the thoughts of being a mini-Corporation or self-managed business.  I&#8217;m an intelligent artist, can follow instructions, plans and outlined rational thoughts, and even I&#8217;m sometimes caught frozen when thinking of setting my own price for a performance.  But after looking at the thousands of dollars I&#8217;ve spent over the years on voice lessons, classes, training, travel, etc&#8230;I&#8217;ve learned that being humble about my talent, my work ethic, and my sense of self worth is just not a good business sense.</p>
<p>And I thank blog entries like this for filling in that semester or two of Business 101 that I didn&#8217;t get at UCLA&#8230;thanks for writing it and for the great comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Wisdom: Tips for a Life O&#8217; Luck &#187; The Online Investing AI Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If money-making is an art, shouldn&#8217;t all artists be rich? I Will Teach You to Be Rich talks about why it seems that artists are bad with money. [...]</description>
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