Cheap versus frugal

Posted at 7:40 on Monday September 26, 2005 | Filed Under Introductory Articles , Investing , Miscellaneous , Saving

Everybody knows a cheap person, and probably hates them. But I think we often mislabel frugal people cheap. These are just my opinions, but here's what I think differentiates the two:

Cheap people care about the cost of something.

Frugal people care about the value of something.

Cheap people try to get the lowest price on everything.

Frugal people try to get the lowest price on most things, but spend a lot on items they really care about.

Cheap people are inconsiderate. For example, when getting a meal with other people, if their food costs $7.95, they'll put in $8.00, knowing very well that tax and tip mean it's closer to $11.

Frugal people won't order a Coke if they're on a budget, so that when the bill comes, they don't look cheap.

Yes, being cheap and/or frugal can be a cultural quality. I won't spend much more time on this one.

Cheap people keep a running tally with their friends, family, and co-workers. Some frugal people do this, too, but certainly not all.

Because of the fear of even one person suggesting they spent too much on something, cheap people are not always honest about what they spent on something. Neither are frugal people.

Cheap people are unreasonable and cannot understand why they can't get something for free. Sometimes this is an act, but sometimes it's not.

Frugal people will try as hard as cheap people to get a deal, but they understand that it's a dance and, in the end, they don't intrinsically deserve a special deal.

Cheap people's cheapness affects those around them. Frugal people's frugality affects themselves.

Both cheap and frugal people will be more assertive than most people when trying to get a deal. Over the long term, they'll both save more money. But one has a cost, while the other pays dividends.

Cheap people think short term. Frugal people think long term.

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Comments (26)

1.

Webster's defines frugal as "economy on the use of resources" and cheap as a synonym for "stingy". Seems a bit biased to me, but I think the bigger difference is that people call themselves frugal and others cheap. I am frugal, but my employer, based on my measly paycheck, is definitely cheap.

Posted by Rachel at September 26, 2005 01:01 PM
2.

Well said, I know some people who have running tabs on their friends and it seems like too much of a bussiness-like way to live life.

Posted by Pedram Keyani at September 26, 2005 06:34 PM
3.

What a great post. I know one family whose daughter is constantly comparing what she got to what her sister got - she lives in a constant state of anxiety. Not a very fun way to live.

Posted by The Dividend Guy at September 29, 2005 02:30 PM
4.

Cheap is so tacky!

Posted by Karen at November 6, 2005 01:07 AM
5.

Frugal is the difference in attitude about money, spending, saving, and more precisely, where saving makes the biggest difference.

Frugal people know how to do the math, and know when to skip nickels and dimes for bigger savings (like cars, jewelry, home prices, etc.).

Cheap people are cheap all the time with everything, because they're in a constant worry about money and where it goes. They're willing to forego quality and durability for price--in effect, they are prey by price alone.

Frugal people get more for their money by being alert to scams and marketing gimmicks, astute shopping and price comparison, and negotiation for a lower price.

Cheap people are always in fear over losing money or getting ripped off, because they don't know basic money defense tactics. "Poor" people are poor for the same reason.

They all need a good fishing teacher.

Posted by wenchypoo at November 8, 2005 04:53 AM
6.

"Cheap people's cheapness affects those around them. Frugal people's frugality affects themselves."

The above statement from your post is exactly how I've always destinguished between cheap and frugal.

Posted by Jesse at November 18, 2005 03:42 PM
7.

Well, I consider myself a frugal person but then again I'm cheap because of limited income I have. Sometimes I think that that your income determines whether you can be frugal or you have to just buy what you have to. I don't regularly come to the website if you would like to email me with advice please do so. Merry Chrismas!!

Posted by Natalie at December 23, 2005 06:47 AM
8.

"I am frugal, but my employer, based on my measly paycheck, is definitely cheap."


No, he is frugal. Since you're working for such low wages, he gets a good value from your employment. If he were cheap, someone else would be doing your job... in addition to their own.

Posted by Ryan at January 15, 2006 05:25 PM
9.

i know a man-83 yrs old is so damn cheap he maked you sick, he says cause he went thru the depression its instilled in you, B.S. i know a lot ofdepression people that arent like that.if something cost 20 cents more in a grocery store he wont buy it.he has sooooomuch money. he worked 2 jobs all of his life and he wont let go. it makes a person sick to be around him.

Posted by mary at January 29, 2006 03:05 PM
10.

Cheap people are
a) "penny wise pound foolish".
b) don't value time. They will spend 5 hours to save 2$.
c) don't value people. Will destroy the goodwill they have developed by diplaying the cheapness brazenly.
d) Loose sight of the big picture. Spend 5 hours every week cutting coupons when they time could have been devoted towards family, career or leisure.

Posted by sharadhegde at January 30, 2006 03:57 PM
11.

I work part time for a person that is so cheap its pathetic.


1 He will hang on to things that are junk and think he can reuse them years later.
2 Will only get the cheapest product he can get.
3He has money but wont spend it.

Posted by Anonyomous at April 4, 2006 09:33 AM
12.

Is my husband frugal or cheap? We had a pot of left over rice last night and I suggested mash potatoes for dinner, he insisted we use up the leftover rice so that he doesn't feel like his money was wasted. Is

Posted by Susan Seriel at May 31, 2006 12:57 PM
13.

Cheap people who have the money to spend really sicken me.and are selfish punks.poor people have the right to be cheap but are not because they have more class.

Posted by Ericson at July 10, 2006 02:03 PM
14.

Cheap people vs Frugal people:


I must say from 1st hand experience being called "cheap" ambushed by your (alleged) friends and labelled as such is very damaging. I think calling someone Frugal even if you think and know they are cheap is the best way to go.


How can you label someone as "Cheap" when they share almost everything with you? are they cheap when they put in a $10 bill for a buger and fries and the bill is $20 but the other guy had 3 beers as well as his burger? Are they cheap when they are out of work, unemployed and sent into the beer store, after commenting, to buy beer for those who are working? give me a break.


Damage is done, and scaring remains.

Posted by Kenzo at August 22, 2006 08:35 AM
15.

I have always received the reputation as being cheap...but I knew in my heart I was just being frugal. After reading this, I am convinced I was right.

Posted by Josh Love at August 22, 2006 10:37 PM
16.

Frugal people are often more than willing to pay for hidden value. We think in terms of the ability to resell the item at a later time. It is long term thinking. If someone substantially underprices an item we generally will immediately pay what is asked thus realizing the bargain and make the seller happy by paying the asked for price. A cheap person will even attempt to undercut the asked for price. This, in turn, will make the seller unhappy and unwilling to sell in some circumstances. Therefore the cheap do not realize the bargain at hand and lose out in the long run.

Posted by Tom at August 24, 2006 04:14 AM
17.

What a great article! I always felt that you can learn a lot about a person by how they act while dining out and this article parallels many of my beliefs on this topic. I was very impressed by the comparisons listed throughout.


Value is more important than cost, as you stated very nicely, but try telling that to someone who is cheap and you'll be met with defensive conversation.

Posted by Paul at September 18, 2006 04:17 PM
18.

I am frugal but cheap people often pay more for things in the long run with not only friendships but can go broke on bargains that fall apart and replacing it over and over again for the cost of one good item.

Posted by iportion at December 8, 2006 11:33 PM
19.

cheap is when you dig through the garbage behind wendy's for cups to redeem for free airline tickets.


frugal is when you dig through garbage for free airline tickets--and then give them away to others who really need them.


long live 20B!

Posted by dumpster diving at December 13, 2006 11:54 AM
20.

great article, however i think the fundamental difference of the two is knowledge, people can't be frugal if they don't know exactly what they are getting, not to mention any ideas of future reselling values or appreciation protential.

Posted by Peter at December 17, 2006 07:48 PM
21.

"Cheap people's cheapness affects those around them."


I wud say dont be near cheap ppl then!

Posted by jayant at January 1, 2007 04:57 AM
22.

my husband, after 22 years of marriage and two brushes with death early last year (I saved him), still keeps a running tally of the household expenses which we split. As a favor, I schlepped my laptop home -he said he'd pay for my cab. When it came time to bring it back to the office, instead of giving me the cab money, which I asked for, he said he put it in the accounts book.


And he can't understand why I want a divorce.

Posted by vivi at January 2, 2007 12:55 PM
23.

You can call me Mrs. Frugal if you want because I am. I'm proud of it and so is my husband. I have made this a money game for most of my life and now it has become a way of life for me.


People who know me often comment on my frugalness but also tell me how generous I am with others.


I have started a blog to share my money saving tips with others.

Posted by Sherry at January 10, 2007 08:17 PM
24.

"Cheap people's cheapness affects those around them. Frugal people's frugality affects themselves."


I would add that a frugal person's frugality affects those
around them as well, but in a positive way.


A cheap person is a drain on the emotional, financial and ecological environment around them (Wal-Mart)


A frugal person utilizes resources as best they can so as to have more to offer themselves, loved ones, and the community.

Posted by ivan at January 18, 2007 11:37 AM
25.

My Mom raised me with a sense of financial responsibility, I thank her for that.
When I got laid-off, I adjusted the expenses to the lower income. The not understanding of people around me (including my wife) was the hard part.

I watch for the best deal whenever I can. The lowest price is not always the best deal.

I learned to tell myself: You want this, but you don't need it now. Enjoy dreaming a little longer

I enjoy the small things in life, it doesn't take much to have fun.

I had to teach my wife that credit cards are NOT additional financial resources.

Things are going really well now, we handled unexpected set-backs in a decent way.

In just a few months, we will be debt free, except for the mortgage. I need to decide what to do with $1000/month, pay off the mortgage or save it in a reasonable way.

Cheap or frugal, I feel good about my financial management.

Posted by knuffel at January 19, 2007 04:25 PM
26.

Your example of dining out with friends is spot on.
I truly understand when someone doesn't want to split the bill when there might be big differences: even if you're on a budget, you should be able to go out with friends!
But, I can't stand when the ones with bigger bills end up paying the taxes, tip and maybe drinks for the cheap ones. (I've seen that recently)


The worst thing I have seen in that domain was for a goodbye party. We wanted to pay for the one leaving the country as a gift. One refused. (it was about $2 each) There's being on a budget, and being cheap...


I'll finish with my two advices for cheap people when splitting the bill:
- always pick amongst the most expensive entrées: if you don't split, you pay for what you had; but better, if you split, you pay less than what you should!
- pay for the whole thing by card and get the cash left by people: usually, people give a little bit more tip than necessary in order not to have to ask for change (leaving 20 when 19 would be enough). If you pay by card, you can put the "exact" amount of tip and pocket the difference!


The sad thing is that I have seen that done...


So, thanks for this post, I'll know what to say when it happens again.

Posted by Tim at February 3, 2007 12:48 PM

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