Here's how I set up my financial accounts

Posted at 10:37 on Wednesday August 31, 2005 | Filed Under Miscellaneous , Saving

Ok today I'm going to break down how I've structured my bank accounts.

If only that sounded cooler.

Anyway, I have 3 main accounts:

1. Wells Fargo

  • Checking account: This is like the inbox of my financial infrastructure--it's where I deposit everything first, then sort it out. My checking account earns no interest, so I move it stuff out of here regularly.
  • Savings account: I hardly use this account. It's only for short-term money that I will need in less than a month. For example, if I'm subletting a place out and have a security deposit that I'll refund in a month, I'll move it here. Or if I bet someone and the bet comes due in a month, I might keep it here. The downside of this account: The interest rate sucks (it's only 0.50%). Upside: You can transfer money between Wells Fargo checking/savings accounts in less than 24 hours.

2. ING Direct

  • Savings account: I opened an ING account because the interest rates are ridiculous: 3.30%. It's a normal savings account, FDIC insured, all that. The only difference is that you do your banking online (transferring back and forth, to other accounts, etc). If I need to transfer to or from it, it takes a few days (but is free).

    I keep the majority of my discretionary savings here. So from every dollar I earn, I transfer a percentage into this account. I might use money here for an emergency fund, mid-term savings like for furniture for a new place, or car maintenance that I know I'll have to do in a few months.

3. ETrade

  • Investing accounts: These include a couple of different stock accounts and a Roth IRA. This is where all my long-term money goes!

    I used to have a money-market account, but it was only earning about 1.5% (compared to 3.30% at ING), so I closed it. Now, when I want to invest money, I just transfer it over to ETrade, where it sits until I invest it.

Ok, so that's the logistics of how I've set my accounts up. I wrote so many words above, but what does it all really mean?

Build yourself an infrastructure to make it easier to save.
Here's how: For every dollar that comes in, I allocate percentages to different accounts. For example (I'm making these numbers up), let's say I made $100 from a paycheck. I might put

25% in savings
50% living expenses
25% recreational

And you can make it easier by having multiple accounts. I manage all of this stuff in Quicken, so even though I may have $1,000 sitting in my ING account, I can easily tell that $200 is for furniture, $300 is for an upcoming car repair, and the rest is for whatever.

It's not that hard!! Take some simple steps:
1. Open an investment account. Start sending some % of your income there. Money should almost always flow TOWARDS your investment account, not away from it.

2. Open a savings account and use it to segment your money. Remember, an investment account is for long-term savings. A savings account is for mid-term savings--and if you can't think of anything you'll need in the next 5 years, trust me, you will (e.g., a car, a mortgage, a wedding, a new hairdo, who cares). If you want to do it at your own bank (BofA, Wells Fargo, etc), great. If you want to open an ING account, great. It doesn't matter--just get your money into smaller, more manageable buckets.

3. Allocate percentages. Use your budget to figure out the maximum % of each dollar that you can allocate to different accounts.

The key point of this whole thing: Once you create this infrastructure, your money is MUCH easier to manage. It's like using shelves on your desk--all of a sudden, your paperwork is easier and more welcoming to deal with. Once you have different accounts and a set % of money going to them, it becomes much more automatic. And like I wrote yesterday, you can start dealing with the more interesting questions, rather than focusing on logistics.

If you have questions, just ask.

PS--If you want an ING account, I can refer you and you get $25 (I get $10). If you're interested, let me know.

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Comments (43)

1.

One thing I was unable to glean from this post was how you pay
for things like mortgage, rent, car insurance, groceries, etc. I
assume you use your checking because ING transfers take a few days?

Posted by Todd at August 31, 2005 12:09 PM
2.

Right, I keep money for monthly payments in my Wells Fargo checking.


I know it's hard to predict how much you'll spend every month, but after you keep a budget for a month or two, you realize the variance isn't usually that much. I just keep a few extra hundred in there in case I go over. And if I'm going over even more for some reason, I can transfer from another appropriate account.

Posted by Ramit Sethi at August 31, 2005 12:23 PM
3.

what is the minimum balance of the ING account?

Posted by zach at September 1, 2005 06:52 AM
4.

No minimums, no fees on the ING.

Posted by Ramit Sethi at September 1, 2005 07:58 AM
5.

I use BofA (please keep the groans to yourself). I have both checking and savings with them. Since I am able to keep higher balances, I use an interest bearing checking account. The rate sucks but it is better than nothing. As long as the balance is over $5000, I'm fine. Everything else gets shuttled to the attached savings account. I earn 1.5-2% on that. That's the sweep fund, which ultimately will be used to fund a trip to Japan.


For taxable investing, I have an account w/ BofA's brokerage arm. I'm in the process of setting up the linkage b/w that account and the checking account. That way, I can just transfer funds online, as I do with the savings account.


In the future, depending on the level of segmentation I go with, I'll probably add a savings account with HSBC since they were at 3.75% a week ago. We'll see how that looks. But I like the idea of being with a big, foreign bank and HSBC is all over Asia.

Posted by Khyron at September 14, 2005 03:58 AM
6.

"I manage all of this stuff in Quicken, so even though I may have $1,000 sitting in my ING account, I can easily tell that $200 is for furniture, $300 is for an upcoming car repair, and the rest is for whatever."

Are you implying that you can allocate sub-buckets within an account in Quicken? How can you do this?

Posted by jrk at September 14, 2005 09:30 AM
7.

I quickly glanced through the article "here's how i set up my financial accounts" and wanted to share something that I started doing.

I used to have two checking accounts: 1 for household expenses( rent, car insurance, etc ) and 1 for personal expenses (groceries, movie tickets, video games...) This worked great except whenever i went to the bank to deposit my paycheck - the bank tellers would panic not knowing how process the transaction, plus i was paying service charges for 2 check cards, 2 account fees - so i needed to simplify. The solution was to merge into one account and use two transaction registry books for the same account. You can easily tuck them both into the pockets so they overlap (book in a book...) where the staples in the inner one make it easy to distinguish between the two (this may not make sense). Then use one book to track personal expenses and the other for household expenses.

Now I spend less time at the bank and don't have to worry about posture problems from sitting on two checkbooks

Posted by Richard at September 15, 2005 08:33 PM
8.

I stumbled upon the bucket method on my own, and it has been a godsend. I even do things like stash small amounts of cash in various places.

Posted by chris sivori at October 31, 2005 09:00 PM
9.

I enjoy your website, I think that it is difficult to find valuable information on savings when you are just starting out. I am also a recent college graduate on my first salaried job and I was wondering if you get Roth IRA benefits from your employer, of it's something you began because it is better to start young. If so, is the upkeep for a Roth IRA dependent on your constant surveilance? Can I leave it like a CD and have it grow over time? I am a novice at stocks and having a Roth IRA seems a bit daunting, but I want to start. Also, why Etrade and not, citibank, or your personal bank?

Posted by stephen at November 15, 2005 04:45 AM
10.

ING Direct has an affiliates program through Commission Junction www.cj.com. I think ING approves manually as opposed to an automatic approval to be their affiliate, but I remembered seeing your post about ING Savings Accounts right after I had opened one. I think with their banner you can get a commission of $20 or so. What do you think about blogs and affilates prormas by the way?

Posted by Stephen at December 3, 2005 06:18 PM
11.

Thanks for the pointer, Stephen. I think affiliate programs are ok, but they take a lot of time to set up and I'd rather just write more articles. They seem to work ok for some people, though.

Posted by Ramit Sethi at December 4, 2005 08:10 AM
12.

Ramit, do you pay any service charges for transferring between your Wells Fargo account to your INGDirect account?


I use BofA and EmigrantDirect, and I haven't made any transfers yet, but I think I read in the Terms that they'll charge for the wire transfer. I'll try calling them up.

Posted by Huey Kwik at January 4, 2006 04:20 PM
13.

No, I don't pay fees on those transfers. As I understand it, they're not wire transfers, but rather electronic transfers.

Posted by Ramit Sethi at January 4, 2006 04:29 PM
14.

So I just linked over to ingdirect.com b/c I want to open a savings account soon and I was reading about their "orange savings account at 3.8% APY and all the benefits. The only question I had is that it said in the details that the APY will change according to the market but that it will be a high number. Is this a good account or do you recommend a different account with ING?

Posted by Kyle Cherrick at January 15, 2006 10:35 PM
15.

Kyle, yeah, that's the right account.

Posted by Ramit Sethi at January 15, 2006 11:02 PM
16.

I love INGDirect, but have you considered a treasurydirect account?


I use my INGDirect account for liquid savings (

Posted by cc at January 19, 2006 10:44 AM
17.

There is something to be said for fostering conservative saving and investment principles, because those pay off even if you aren't constantly keeping track of them.


Case in point - Vanguard Mutual Funds. They have a money market prime fund that is currently paying 4% (it fluctuates, but so will ING's after april), and paid 3% last year.


No need to hunt for deals (time=money) when there are institutions who make it their business to keep fees low and yields high. They don't advertise all that much, and their ads are pretty low key, so you may have overlooked them. It's worth checking out.

Posted by xxyy at January 19, 2006 11:17 AM
18.

I agree with the Vanguard comment above. I keep two accounts; one with Vanguard, where I deposit _all_ money, and one with a local bank, where I transfer just enough each month to cover budgetary items.


That way all my money starts earning the 4% Money Market yield immediately, and I never see extra money when it comes in. My checking account balance always stays low, which I like because it's not earning interest. My Vanguard Money Market doubles as an emergency account, because I can write checks on it.


When I get too much money in the Money Market, I just allocate it into one of the many excellent Vanguard index funds (lately the Target Retirement funds are my favorites).

Posted by samerwriter at January 19, 2006 11:15 PM
19.

What do you suggest for people who are already in a certain amount of debt like credit cards, auto, student loans.....

Posted by lou at January 20, 2006 10:14 AM
20.

Hsbcdirect.com and emigrantdirect.com are both offering 4.25% savings accounts with no minimum balance.

Posted by Anonymous at January 29, 2006 09:39 AM
21.

The money you put in your Roth IRA, do you invest that at etrade? I sent up an IRA and I'm not sure if I'm supposed to alocate that money to gain interest or what?

Posted by megan at February 14, 2006 10:08 AM
22.

Good advise.. I currently have 2 accounts set up with BOA and BECU.. but none of them have such a high rate of interest as ING. Does ING have a limit for transactions per month/quarter? I recently found out (the hard way) that BOA starts charging $1 per transaction to/from savings after a certain amount.

Posted by Wilson at February 18, 2006 02:51 AM
23.

Wilson,

I think that federal law limits transactions out of savings accounts to 6 per statement cycle, or month, or whatever (this is what I was told when I opened a National City Bank savings account). I know that banks get hit with a charge when you go over 6, so they then charge you. Other than the that, ING does not set a limit that I know of.

Posted by Carlin at March 12, 2006 09:32 AM
24.

ING rocks...Last year my daughter was born we put $5 into an ING account to start saving for her. Every paycheck $25 goes into her ING account automatically She is coming up on her 1 year birthday and she has $488.33 in the account. I then opened an ING 2 yr. CD 5.30% and push the gains to her original ING savings account. As it reaches $400 again I will open another CD with the highest interest rate at the time and begin building a CD ladder for her. When the CD's mature I will keep investing it in CD ladder's until I learn more about other investments.

My plan is to have a good start for her and then teach her how to manage and make money grow when she is ready to learn.

By the way we are debt free except for our house mortgage and I am currently building on my Assets.


I'm not bragging but I sure am proud, considering where I came from.


-Don

Posted by Don at August 2, 2006 02:41 PM
25.

ING has a limit of 6 on withdraws I found out by getting a letter stating that if I went over 6 again they would have to close my account out. What I did not realize was that the automatic withdraws from ING to another ING counted as well. So just be careful when moving money out that you keep it below 6. When in doubt call up ING and ask them if your not sure.

Posted by Don at August 2, 2006 02:51 PM
26.

I've been playing video games since I was a little kid (I'm 33 now), so when I really wanted to start to save, I figured, why not make it like an online game?

I set up a savings account which I earmarked internally as "pay off my student loans," and every single morning, the first thing I would do online would be to log on with my bank, transfer $X from checking to the special savings account, and log off.

And I mean EVERY morning. Weekdays and weekends. It got to the point where the daily transfer was more important than my morning coffee.

I paid off my law school loans that way, and have continued to save that way ever since -- and I advise it UNCONDITIONALLY. Even if it's only a $5 transfer each day, you will be shocked at how rapidly it grows (and you can transfer chunks of $2K, $5K, or $10K to an ING Direct account, like "skimming the fat" off the top to freeze it for later, just like bubbie used to do!). If you find that you're transferring so much each day that you aren't leaving yourself with enough in checking, adjust the transfer rate (e.g., reduce it by 25% or so), until you can reach a good, solid equilibrium. But try not to let the $ flow the other way, even if you've overshot a bit. Bite the bullet while you re-calibrate. Make coffee at home for a few days, instead of stopping at Starbucks. :)

You will be pleasantly surprised at how fun and addictive it will be.

I promise! :)

- gabe

Posted by Gabriel at August 2, 2006 05:06 PM
27.

What is the goal of the ETrade investments? Are these long term investments ( >10yrs) or for more intermediate use? I haven't really seen an explanation of how one invests his funds for non-retirement wealth growth.

Posted by Ben at August 3, 2006 09:02 PM
28.

Ben,

Investing with eTrade (or any other broker house) can be for a variety of purposes, short-term and long term. Some people day trade stocks out of eTrade (unwise, as their platform for day trading is mediocre), others like eTrade because you can consolidate all of your accounts in one place and have an overview of your finances.


With that in mind, there are many easy ways to invest in non-retirement growth. You can do medium-term buy and hold positions with stock, where you say buy Microsoft, Dell, and AMD, hold them for a number of years and sell them off when you feel confident. Another common, easy method is to invest in "Income" or "Growth" Mutual Funds which generally appreciate over time, but are more actively managed with shorter-medium term profits in mind, rather than a retirement fund, which is generally passively managed.


What I find most important about any medium to long term investment is keeping the transaction costs low (Vanguard is good for this, Fidelity has made drastic fee cuts as well), especially management fees for mutual funds, as low as possible (since it eats into your profits) and always consider you will have to pay taxes on everything when you take it out.

Posted by Jeff Standard at August 4, 2006 08:40 AM
29.

The fact that you trade through E*Trade shows you haven't been doing this very long. E*Trade is, bar none, the worst financial organization I've ever used. I once wired $40K out and they "lost" it for a full day, with no knowledge of the transaction or where it went.


Wells Fargo is the second worst, but a distant one. My recommended bank for checking is Bank of America. They do not screw up.


Recommended broker is Fidelity. Generally speaking, do not choose your broker based on their trading fees.


Savings accounts are a waste of time. Get a decent municpal money market fund through your broker and you'll tax-free interest that beats the hell out of a savings account.


Nice blog name though. Wish it was true.

Posted by FOTA at August 4, 2006 09:35 AM
30.

Hsbcdirect.com and emigrantdirect.com are both offering 4.25% savings accounts with no minimum balance.

Posted by 压力变送器 at August 4, 2006 10:28 AM
31.

There are many high-yield and CD offers now with much higher rates. Use CD laddering if you plan to use the money. Those banks could be found at bankrate.com

Posted by Son Nguyen at August 4, 2006 11:27 AM
32.

VirtualBank.com: 4.50% yield on their money market, same product as ING's. ING has good marketing but has never had better rates than VirtualBank, which is almost always near the very top.


Vanguard's Prime MM is also a good choice, as others have noted.

Posted by Andy Crouch at August 4, 2006 11:44 AM
33.

eTrade? You'd have to be an eTard to use eTrade. They suckered me in to their no-fee IRA accounts a few years ago, then slammed me with fees out of the blue. I took my money out and I'll never go back. Fool me once etc. I use ING.

Posted by mmjvghjhb at August 4, 2006 11:45 AM
34.

What's funny is that just yesterday my friend told me about ING Direct, they are up to 4.3% now. :)

Posted by xamox at August 4, 2006 11:46 AM
35.

My local credit union is awesome. Balance transfers back and forth from checking to savings are instantaneous. Also, an overdraft protection account can also be transfered to/from instaneously, which could be an emergency 14% loan, on demand.


The downside to all of this is that my savings is TOO accessable. As such, there is a regular flow out of my savings account. I need it to be more inconvenient to withdrawl money from savings.

Posted by Mantari Damacy at August 4, 2006 12:07 PM
36.

I'm a big fan of NetBank, personally. Assuming you do plenty of business with them, you can get as high as 4% on a money market account with them. Of course, unless you move all your accounts over there, it'll probably be closer to 3%, but that's still pretty good.


I really like their software though, which is the main reason I use them. They have code that integrates with other bank accounts at other banks and shows your account balances and credit card balances as such. It's nice being able to see total assets and liabilities at a glance in once spot.

Posted by Bob Aman at August 4, 2006 12:40 PM
37.

What online or traditional investment firms are recommended for a first timer who wants to invest in a stable long to mid term reasonable yield fund/stock etc.

Posted by axe at August 4, 2006 12:42 PM
38.

FOTA, here's my B of A screw-up story (and why I'll never use them again):


I opened a new account with them and got my temporary checks. I used those checks to buy groceries, etc. (basically, one month's expenses...about 20 checks).


What I didn't know was that the temporary checks B of A gave me had someone else's account number on them. When they found out, they cancelled all the checks, costing me $20 per check (B of As charge) and then $20 - $30 at each store I wrote a check at.


B of A covered none of this.

Posted by Mark Bigelow at August 4, 2006 12:44 PM
39.

Mark, I realized after I posted my comment that I'd made a horrible mistake. I realized the only responses I'd get would be some kind of BOFA screw up.


It's true, all financial organizations are inherently evil. Best way to organize your money in the modern age is to keep as much money and gold as you can under your matress.

Posted by FOTA at August 4, 2006 01:57 PM
40.

I recommend to all my friends to drop the big box banks (BofA, Wells Fargo) and join a credit union. Most everyone is eligible to join. Rates are .25% for checking, .5% savings (under $1000), 1% savings (over $1000) and no monthly fees. I keep only enough in here to pay my monthly bills.


For a savings account, use ING direct at 4.35%, or, even better, Emigrant direct at 5.15%.


I don't like E-trade. Their rates aren't very good and they charge too many fees.


For long term investments, use a discount brokerage house like Fidelity or Vanguard. And EVERYONE should have a ROTH IRA with an index fund. Index funds are cheaper and earn a more reliable return than other mutual funds.


But before you even THINK about opening up all these savings accounts and investments, PAY OFF ALL CREDIT CARD DEBT first. Savings accounts and investments are pointless if you have credit card debt.

Posted by Kevin Lee at August 4, 2006 02:00 PM
41.

I agree. I have a very similar multi-tiered account setup that others have mentioned and have been very happy with the balance between available-money and invested-money.


Many I talk to though complain about being able to find the money to save. The key is budgetting, knowing where your money goes, and then just doing a little at a time as others have commented. I found this online budgetting program to be very good: http://www.mvelopes.com/ The only downside is that its a pay service but I trialed it for a month and haven't gone back. I found it much easier than Quicken or the spreadsheets I was previously doing.


Thanks for the tips and good luck!

Posted by Rob at August 4, 2006 03:38 PM
42.

Your title says, I will teach you to be rich. But what credibility about this do you have? Are you rich? How rich? Is this how you got to be rich? How old are you? When did you get to be rich? Do you own a house? Car? Please explain so that we can trust what you say. From what I read, beyond explaining some of your banking set up, I don't see anything substantial, sorry to say.

Posted by Hem Ramachandran at August 4, 2006 06:45 PM
43.

Rich? This teaches you how to be middle class and stay out of debt. Time to rename the website, buddy.

Posted by Rich Guy at August 4, 2006 07:15 PM

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